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ローゼンメイデン 
Well, that was okay I guess. I am not overly impressed with the animation which has too many blurry lines instead of proper animation. The storyline, however, seems to be heading towards a rather interesting direction. Having said that, I can't help but wishing that I get to see a parallel world where say, something like this happened. Given the amount of bickering and fights happening within Shirou's harem, I thought that would be amusing to see. Anyway, with only few more episodes before the series reaches its conclusion, I hope they pick up the pace a little bit. Especially since it looks like the writers are planning to include many sub-stories from the game. It'll be fun to see hwo many adversaries the writers think they can cram in the space of 8 episodes.
Continuing from last week's episode, Saber tries to free Rin from Berserker's arm but finds herself unable to harm the other Servant no matter how many times she bashes him against her sword. Feeling helpless at seeing his comrades in danger, Shirou foolishly decides to charge Berserker head on without using any weapon. Seeing Shirou's persistance, Saber decides to unleash her Noble Phantasm but before she can complete the process, Shirou stops her by using one of his command spells. Shirou then tries to imagine the sword that he sees on his mind once again and this time around he succeeds in producing Caliburn, the sword that Saber pulled out of the stone. Shirou then run towards Berserker and slices the Servant's left arm with the sword. The impact of the hit not only cut Berserker's arm but also destroys the sword. Because of this Shirou imagines the sword again and manages to produce one in time for him to deflect Berserker's own.
The impact of Berserker's attack, however, throws him back, so Saber moves forward to distract Berserker a bit. She then returns to Shirou and the two then hold the sword together and swings it towards Berserker. As a result, not only they destroy Berserker's sword, they also managed to kill the Servant. In his last dying moment, Berserker asks Saber if that is her sword. In reply, Saber tells Berserker that this is Caliburn, a sword that she thought she has lost for good. Berserker knows that the sword is only an imitation of the original but it manages to kill him 7 times. Berserker then disappears in sparks, causing Illya to falls down to her knee in shock. On Shirou's request, however, Saber agrees not to harm Illya. Shirou then loses his consciousness due to exhaustion and while unconscious, he gets to see King Saber surrounded by her army. When Shirou wakes up, he realises that Illya is snuggling next to him much to Saber's annoyance.
Saber is clearly jealous of what she saw because when Shirou asks him to pick up some plates, she actually slams them harshly on the table, as if demanding Shirou's attention. When Rin wakes up, the two gang up against Shirou's wish to let Illya stays at his house. Shirou claims that she's still a child moreover, he is not into killing Master. Rin, however, can't forgive the fact that Illya was responsible for Archer's death. Illya then appears and asks Rin why she said something like that because in the end all Servants will disappear anyway. Rin looks as if she wants to strangle Illya upon hearing this but refrains herself from doing so. Saber, however, can't help but speaking out her mind when she sees Illya hugging Shirou. Shirou tries to reason with Saber by saying that Illya is no longer a Master. But Rin tells him that Illya can make a contract with another Servant. Much to their surprise, however, Illya tells them that she won't seek another Servant because Berserker is the only Servant for her.
Illya, however, asks if she can get Saber if Shirou is defeated. Saber angrily tells the loli that she refuses to become her Servant. Much to Saber's surprise, however, Rin decides to allow Illya to stay in the house. While doing their usual sword practice, Illya notices that Saber has gone easy on Shirou. Saber blushes and denies this but Shirou felt that she seems to be purposedly avoiding collision with his body. During lunch time, Saber decides to wipe the mess in Illya's face much to Illya's surprise. Saber tells Illya that she's simply trying to be nice since Illya is Shirou's guest. Seeing his harem gets along well with one another, Shirou smiles happily. Later on that night, Shirou has another naked encounter with Saber inside the bathroom. This time around, however, Saber seems to be extremely aware of her body, claiming that hers is not as feminine as Rin's. Shirou is embarassed by this and decides to leave the bathroom.
Shirou decides to visit Rin in her room and the two have conversation about his imaging ability. Rin believes that it is the sheath of Excalibur that makes King Arthur strong, not the sword itself. That night, Shirou attempts to image the sword when he gets interrupted by Saber's arrival. Shirou decides to ask Saber about the fact that he saw her dream this morning. Saber, however, tells him that a Servant does not dream. That was actually Shirou dreaming about Saber's past. As the bond between a Master and Servant become stronger, the connection between the two becomes stronger. Saber tells Shirou that they are similar but his ideal is a mistake. Saber believes that while she needs to obtain the holy grail, she believes Shirou also needs it as well. Meanwhile, Caster is seen talking to both Assassin and Kuzuki Souichirou, a teacher at Shirou's school. Caster believes they need to replenish their magic supply and for that, they need a sacrifice and settle their choice on Sakura.
Impression:
This episode seems to be leaning heavily towards Shirou/Saber pairing. I never thought I'll see Saber being so jealous of Illya to the point that she slams a plate on the table. She then protests everytime Illya clings to Shirou and becomes embarassed when Shirou sees her naked this time around. However, is there a future to their relationship when, as Illya puts it, all Servants will disappear in the end? In addition to this, I'm not sure if Shirou actually likes Saber or if he's just embarassed at their increasingly intimate relationship. On the other hand, I'm happy to see that Rin has not forgotten Archer to the point that she becomes angry when Illya dismisses his sacrifice by saying the above line. The most interesting part of the episode, however, is the discussion that Caster has with Souichirou about the need to obtain Sakura. I really hope the series does a good job with this particular arc of the story.
Preview:
On next week's episode: As the competition within Shirou's harem heats up, Tiger demands on being allowed into it as well. Sakura, however, doesn't like the new development and decides to sharpen her knife in case of 'emergency'. In the meantime, Illya tries to show that she once was a talented Tutu performer.
Good to see things are finally shaping up.
>> a parallel world where say, something like this happened.
XD *dead*. And I thought Saber blushing in this episode is funny.
I love to see a alternative universe series base on Shirou and his Harem :D
"Shirou's Harem +1" should be the title of this episode...but then, that wouldn't make Saber very happy.XD Besides, we all know Shirou wants Saber's dragon...
*decides never to say that ever again*
Thanks for all the wonderful summaries, Garten!:D I don't post much, but I found this place a few months ago after rummaging around for Honey and Clover stuff.^_^; I'm very glad I did!:D
so I guess we get to see Sakura's past. I'm glad they decided to do this.
*spoiler starts*
By the way, don't they have one more sex scene according to the game? I highly doubt they will include that...but I hope they do... ^^;;
*spoiler ends*
Caster's going to abduct Sakura?
Thats probably a BAD idea...
This is what I think they should do. Shirou should hand over Saber to someone who can properly use her: Rin. He should then cuddle up with Sakura and ....
Next part seems more UBW than anything. Which isn't surprising, as Caster's role in UBW is far larger than her role in Fate.
lol, Garten, I just read your mouseovers. Berserker steak, indeed.
Well, we don't know FOR CERTAIN that Rider's dead - the other two Servants who have died on camera went sparkly, so we know they're dead. Rider... well, we saw the beam, but I don't know if we saw her derezz like the others. For all we know, they're going HF with some elements... which will add a tragic element to the storyline.
MILD SPOILER
Mind you, I think the funniest part here was that, of all the people Shirou could've ended up sharing a futon with... it was Ilya who either took advantage of his unconsciousness or else he let her share it while semi-conscious. :D Of all the people who he has to share a futon with.... it's Ilya. And, since Type MOON isn't into certain elements of h-games, she's the only one who he doesn't know carnally.
END MILD SPOILER
Of course, Taiga-sensei's reaction to the 'another blonde gaijin, and this one's a loli' scene which is undoubtedly about to appear will be worth the next ep alone.
Oh my God! They ate Berserker!
Seriously, your captions are hilarious, they make the show much more interesting. (I'm filled with loli hate, can't comment)
Haesslich,
Ren and Shiki in kagetsu tohya disagree with your statement of where type-moon won't go.
You forgot Sakura, but that's another story... and I meant 'on camera', they dont' do that. With character backgrounds, however...
Ren has HCG in Kagetsu Tohya, I'm serious.
Nice summary. Is it just me, or do I sense a sarcasm on your last comment on "sweet innocent Sakura"? (Yes, I played thru the whole game)
"Shirou, however, doesn't have the heart to kill Illya because (he's) now Servant-less."
Unless you intend to make Illya as a guy, it should be "she".
RIDERRRRRRR *o*
Just to be clear, unlike the free steak, the fanservice moment was actually brought to us by Excalibur. If you look carefully, you'll see the difference.
Nice summary. Is it just me, or do I sense a sarcasm on your last comment on "sweet innocent Sakura"?
Whaat? You don't think she's sweet and innocent?
Unless you intend to make Illya as a guy, it should be "she".
You know, she may look innocent and all but deep down, she's actually a H... j/k I've replaced the brief summary with a long one anyway.
Just to be clear, unlike the free steak, the fanservice moment was actually brought to us by Excalibur. If you look carefully, you'll see the difference.
Ah yes, you're right, Rin actually talks about it as well. I'll fix it right away!
Ah poor Rin. Not only she lost Archer, she now has to compete with Saber for Shirou's love.
Ah poor Rin. Not only she lost Archer, she now has to compete with Saber for Shirou's love.
She should just re-summon and stick with Archer somehow. :p Archer > Shirou.
>> You know, she may look innocent and all but deep down, she's actually a H... j/k I've replaced the brief summary with a long one anyway.
LOL ppl who played thru the whole HF route from the game know what really is she........just look at true end route of HF.........it was a bit of a surprise if you ask me XD
Besides, if you played thru the entire HF route, you know that Saruka is actually a whole lot more than what she may look like right now......Okay maybe not on the other routes, but then, she's pretty much ignored on Fate and UBW route.
To her defense, Saruka seems 100x cuter on TV anime than on the game.
Wow. MULTIPLE LOGIC FAILURES DETECTED! ALERT THE INTERNET!!!
1. How can something be killed more than once at a time? It's like saying you can turn off your TV seven times with one push of the power button.
2. If Shirou can make a sword that kills Bersker in one hit, why couldn't Archer?
3. If summoning the sword would drain Saber to the point that she would disapear, how is Shirou, with far less mana, able to not only materialize it AND use it?
1. It's just that strong.
2. Because only Saber could wield Caliburn to its full potential, since it's her weapon. Archer can't.
3. Caliburn =/= Excalibur. He only materialized the weapon, but it took both Saber AND Shirou to use it. (As said in the episode)
Not only are those two different swords, but using Excalibur isn't a problem, it's using the incredibly mana intensive "laser of death" it has.
As for Shirou creating Caliburn, if you were paying attention, you'd note that Rin brought up the fact that it should have taken more mana than he has. There's a reason for this.
Well, we have a good idea that Shirou is connected somehow to Saber and/or the sword thanks to the ham-handed hint earlier in the series, when Shirou feels "hot" when he thinks about the sword.
But that doesn't address some basic flaws in logic:
Even if Shirou is connected to the sword and so has a perfect image stored magically in his soul or something, the weapon has power that Shirou just doesn't have, and neither did Saber at that point. Essentially, mana was pulled out of nowhere. If Shirou has the power to pull mana out of nowhere, Archer should have taken Berserker with ease as he should have been able to create an Excalibur-class weapon of his own.
If you think that's illogical, then think about this: Shirou having been able to summon a Servant as high ranked as Saber at all is illogical too.
There will be an explanation for both things.
Highly ranked? No, there's no rule like that. Barring a certain circumstance that allows the summoning of a specific servant, a mage will summon the servant who is most compatible with them in personality and ideals.
"berseker stew" *laughs to death*
GUTB:
The mana wasn't pulled out of nowhere...the conversation at the end of the episode , between Rin and Shirou, kind of give you hints on
1. Why Shirou can regenerate/heal..
2. Why Shirou can pull mana out of nowhere
3. Why Shirou can image Caliburn
4. Why Shirou can summon Saber- think along the lines on how Rin summon Archer
With that said...
1. A jealous Saber over Ilya sleeping and cuddling with Shirou
2. A blushing Saber over just body contact
3. A self-consceince Saber of her body
4. A REALLY nice and long shot of Rin's legs
5. A sleepy and in nightgown Rin
6. An angered Rin over Archer's death- really can't wait to see her face when she truly understand his identity
All these makes this ep worth seven days worth of waiting
And plus, I can kind of see how the studio is pulling HF into the plot line...with a "sacrificial mage" in Sakura and Caster as the main enemy now...cmon I can't wait how this will turn out- hopefully not for the obivious.
What I heard from others...in the game Caliburn is so strong that it killed Berserker's seven lives in one shot... so the studio are staying true to the game on that part.
With that said, the future Archer doesn't have what the present Shirou has (read my previous comment) ..therefore, he couldn't kill Berserker with ease and that Archer IMAGINES and TRACES weapons that already exist but his weapons are inferior to the originals ( so he couldn't create an Excalibar-class weapons)
And yes, "mage will summon the servant who is most compatible with them in personality and ideals" so why didn't Shirou summon someone like Assassin or Lancer or ...Archer. SOMEBODY is right in sense on how Shirou was able to summon Saber than Rin summoning Saber..undersand...it just has to do with the conversation Rin had with Shirou at the end of 16 and that ironically "Spoiler starts" Shirou's adoptive father's servant was Saber cause servants aren't passed through heredity and that Shirou sololy miraclous lived through the previous Holy Grail War with Gilgamesh vs. Saber. "Spoiler ends"
Bakanekokun,
I said, "Barring a certain circumstance that allows the summoning of a specific servant".
I'm well aware of this, I just wasn't going to go into details for spoiler reasons.
Actually, even when it's been said that a master will summon a Servant of according personality, in these cases there were more powerful and... tangible "reasons" for Shirou having summoned precisely Saber and Rin having summoned precisely Archer.
Although, not having played the game, I can't say that for sure.
SPOILER
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Of course, the "reasons" I'm talking about are Avalon in the case of Shirou-Saber and Rin's inherited pendant in the case of Rin-Archer. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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END SPOILER.
somebody,
No, you are correct, but again, that's what I was alluding to, while actually avoiding spoilers.
pato,
After re-reading your message, I have this doubt:
Then, is there absolutely no relationship between the power ot the summoner and the power of the servant called?
I thought there was some kind of relationship, but only because in the very beginning of the story, Rin planned so carefully her summoning of Saber... and she certainly seemed pretty confident about getting her just by spending enough mana.
Of course, she failed, but I thought that, if one person were to know how things work in the Grail War, it would be Rin (Kirei being her teacher and all).
So she didn't know so much, after all?
Spoiler
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Well, if it weren't for her using her amulet as a focus, and the business with Shirou, she may very well have summoned a saber as she desired. But I really doubt it would have been Arturia. And with regards to that, whichever Eirei it would have been, may very well have been a weaker Saber than Arturia. So no, power doesn't really work that way. That's why it's best to always have something connected to a legendary hero as a focus. And that's why Rin was grumbling about not having anything like that.
So that's the way summoning works, huh? Well, too bad for Rin...
By the way, is the class/identity of the servant of Rin's father in the former war ever known? (a yes/no answer will be enough...)
As people have said already, there is a specific reason why Shirou was able to summon Saber, or have the ability to trace Caliburn (the big giveaway is that even Saber said in episode 16 that a sword that she thought she lost, which mean there is no possible way for Shirou to have seen it), so please, just let it pass for now and re-examine it once the show decide to let more hints out. There is a reason for all of the above (For those that haven't read the spoiler, just think about the connection between Rin and Shirou (back to episode 2/3), and that's basically the reason why Shirou can summon Saber and all those things.), and if you have to know....
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*spoiler starts*
Shirou has Avalon, the sword "cover" of Excalibur, in his body, as his adoptive father ask Saber, his servant at that time, to put it in Shirou body, hence he survived originally (he should've die from the injury he has then). Which is the reason why you notice that Shirou get hurts, but recover really fast. That is the real "bond" between him and Saber, hence when he summon a servant, it would be saber answering the call. In the game, at the end of Fate's route, Shirou give back Avalon to Saber, so she can fight the other servant, and he even trace Avalon in his own last fight.
*spoiler ends*
Somebody,
I don't think it's ever been confirmed, no. We really only know two classes that he couldn't have had.
I wish Shirou would hand Saber over to Rin. That way, we can see Saber at Full power again, provided Rin can also deduce where the sheath of Excalibur is, and I believe she can once connection between her and Saber is established.
The problem with just handing Saber over to Rin, in this case, is that I doubt Saber would WILLINGLY serve Rin, and we did see all her command seals burn off, whereas we don't know if all of Ilya's are gone yet, which meant that Ilya could potentially inherit Saber. Without Command Seals, in this instance, I doubt that Rin would be able to control Saber anyways... and she'd have to kill Shirou to get the sheathe, which is probably something she's QUITE unwilling to do.
Besides, I doubt that even being paired with Rin would put Saber at full power.... especially given what happened in most of the storylines - she's a powerful mage, but not as powerful as Shirou can ultimately end up becoming.
Haesslich ...
please rewatch eps 16 to learn more about the master servant contract.
When a servant dies, the master looses the command seal.
If the master dies,however, or uses up all of his/her command seal; the contract is terminated and the servant is now without a master.
The servant will then have sometime to make a new contract with another master before they disapear.
I see people still like to spoil things... screw this, I'll join the uncaring bandwagon
first of all, Heasslich, uhm...what the hell?
Shirou is a half assed mage all his life.
Archer is powerful, but he is still a half assed mage. That's the point of their character. They're an underdog in terms of talents, but their hard to point of self mutilation effort makes them something else.
Being really really good at one kind of sorcery does not make you a mage. Shirou is officially an majutsu tsukai, or rather a sorcery user.
Now Saber, under a true mage like Rin would be vastly.. VASTLY more powerful in term of stats. This is canon and undeniable fact. Hell, the game even proves it with actual stats. If are however, free to argue about the pyschological factor.
Luminisk, no, that's incorrect. A servant's death will not invalidate a master's position, hence Rin's concern about Ilya finding another servant, and Ilya's "offer" to be Saber's master if Shirou dies.
Also, this hasn't been much of a "war". We're 16 episodes into it, and so far it's been more like a number of skirmishes. Even the servant deaths have fealt like secondary battles. This grand magician's war scenario hasn't turned out as grand as it was billed. For instance, I can count off a dozen fairly recent character-driven combat-based shounen series that have done warfare better than this show.
I'm sad to say this, but so far the TYPE-MOON adapations have scored 0 out of 2 so far. I have to blame it on the era of cheap, crap outsourced anime studios.
If I wanted grand warfare, I would have watched the Legend of Galatic Heroes or Romance of Three Kingdoms. I would, however prefer the alternate Fate world; Fate/SN School Rumble.
http://www.yayapapayaz.com/hontouni/?p=342
Luminisk,
Rin didn't really lose her last reijuu with Archer's death. It was just "turned off" because of the contract being broken, but she still has one last, crescent-shaped seal.
At least, that's what I understood. Because her last order to Archer wasn't issued as a Command, right?
So there's nothing that keeps her from being a master again, either. Well, apart from finding a masterless servant, that is.
Rin: Lancer-kun... you said you didn't like your master, ne?
Lancer: Er... *sweatdrop*
Rin: *leans closer* C'mon Cúchey, show me what you can do with your Gáebolg...
Lancer: *runs away*
Rin: ...Men are stupid.
Hi all,
First: I love Fate/stay night series, i think, its one of the 3 best animes out there. But i dont watch more then 40 so there could be still better out there i dont know yet.
Second: I really love Garten...i mean the great work hes doing here and especially the funny comments he is giving to the screenshots. Making meal with the dead berserk is as funny as creative. Keep on the good (and rofl-like ;) ) work.
I hate to agree with GUTB, but the production quality fell through the floor on this ep. We're talking bad animation on a Suzuka off episode level here.
I see everyone talking about the plot, with which I have no problems thus far, yet no-one seems to point out that no-one looks the same from frame to frame. I mean, who are these people? They certainly don't look like the people from the previous eps.
I figured earlier that they're just saving the money and animation for important eps, but not even Gundam SEED Destiny took more than one review episode at a time. But here we are with two eps back to back with repeated sequences and inconsistent character appearances.
And considering they offed Berserker they should've put some money into it.
Maybe they're hoping the last bunch of episodes will be so kickass that we'll forgive and forget, but judging by their inability to budget I wouldn't be surprised with an Eva TV level ending.
Because animation budget and plot are directly connected!
These are the facts to clear things up:-
-Caliburn is not Excalibur
-Avalon is inside of Shiro and has plenty of mana that is where all the mana comes from
-Shiro summoned saber because Avalon, her sword's sheath is inside him
-Rin summoned Archer, Aka the future Shiro because, the gem used to save Shiro was the same one used to summon Archer.
-I do not know much about the HF and UBW but i am very clear about everything in Fate Stay Night anime.
Can sum1 plz tell me which sword is Excalibur and which 1 is Caliburn, of that , i am not sure either
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