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ローゼンメイデン 
February 23, 2007 | 
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Kaidoku Funou (2nd Ver) (17MB, for PSP/Quicktime)
Well, they scramble the opening again but except for one single shot of Orange-kun, there's nothing exciting about it. Thankfully the episode itself is interesting and the ending is the kind of cliffhanger that I usually hate but for some reason it's kind of exciting here. At any rate, I hope this episode serves as some kind of eye-opener for Suzaku. I realise that he's willing to sacrifice his pride to save his people but this episode shows how much Britannia , 2-3 people aside, do not care for him. Anyway, it's clear by now that there's no way the writers can solve the majority of the plot by the time episode 24 ends. No wonder they need another set of season to complete the series.
Inside a submarine, Zero announces the re-structuring of the Black Knights. Toudou will be in charge of military affairs while Diethard is responsible public relations, intelligence gathering, and obstacle data. Some people are not happy about this since Diethard is a Britannian and he's also a member of the press. Another person asks Zero if there is a reason why he goes out of his way to appoint a Britannian. Zero points out that he's also not a Japanese and what he really needs is someone who has the ability to bring results. Because of this, a person's race, past, or way of living have nothing to do with this appointment. Zero continues his selection by appointing Ougi as vice-commander, putting Laksharta in charge of technological development, and Karen as the commanding officer of Zero squadron, which will be under Zero's control and is considered his bodyguards. Zero also goes on to announce the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd party captains.
Zero ends this by appointing Tamaki as the commanding officer of the 2nd special service squadron. Karen suddenly realises that C.C doesn't get any specific position but C.C doesn't seem to mind. She then gets distracted when Diethard tells Zero that he has something to discuss with him later on. Meanwhile, Suzaku is attending his Knighting ceremony while the Britannian nobles talk derisively about an Eleven becoming a knight. Suzaku is not the only one who bears the brunt of the snide because they also think that the reason he can become a knight is because Euphemia is reaching her puberty. Inside Ashford college, the two Britannian students who was slapped by Euphemia a few episodes ago also can't believe with this news. I can just see the headline now: "Britannian Princess has torrid affair with a Japanese boy". Anyway, judging from the look in her face, Nina is not exactly happy either seeing Suzaku being so close to Euphemia.
After several oaths and "Yes, Your Highness!", the ceremony is over and Suzaku stands up to a very quiet room. Lloyd tries his best to clap his hands enthusiastically but it's not enough to drown the quietness of the room. Eventually Dalton starts clapping his hands as well although judging from his expression, it's hard to say if he's proud of Suzaku or just plain scheming. Eventually, as if pressured by Dalton's clapping, one by one the nobles start to clap as well. At the same time, Diethard is having a meeting with Zero, Laksharta, Toudou, and Ougi, suggesting that they assasinate Suzaku. Toudou and Ougi opposes the idea since such cowardly method won't win the support of the Japanese people. While contemplating his decision, C.C thinks Lelouch should Geass Suzaku. When Lelouch refuses the idea, C.C wants to know if this is due to his stubbornness, friendship, or pride. Lelouch admits it's all of them.
At the same time, Cornelia scolds her sister for making Suzaku a Knight. She tells her sister that appointing a Knight is the right of the royal family. Euphemia tries to reason by saying that Suzaku is an honorary Britannian who has the ability that makes him fit to be a Knight. In response, Cornelia tells her sister that Britannia has a national policy which differentiates numbers. Not wanting to be outdone, Euphemia swears to change this policy. Cornelia finally puts the harsh words in, reminding Governor-general Euphemia that in order to do that she has to become the Emperor. The Emperor himself is now seen talking to someone about the construction of an elevator. His conversation is interrupted when his guard gives him an update about Schneizel. The Emperor simply smirks and tells the guard to let Schneizel to do what he wants if he has the confidence. Back inside Ashford college, the student council celebrates Suzaku's appointment as a Knight.
During the party, Millay informs Suzaku that the party was actually planned by Nanaly. One person who decides to spit on Suzaku by not attending his party is Nina. Instead she looks at a magazine featuring Euphemia, wondering how she can molests the princess. Just kidding, she actually asks the picture of Euphemia what she should do. All of a sudden, Lloyd comes into her room and becomes intrigued after he notices simulations about a fuel running on her computer. Back at the party, Karen comes prepared with her knife, trying to assasinate Suzaku for Zero's sake. However, before she can do this, Lelouch already stops her by grabbing her hand and telling her that Shirley wants some help. In response, Karen tells Lelouch that she has an important task to do. When Lelouch asks her about this important task, however, Karen can't answer. Suzaku whose ear seems to be sensitive as soon as he hears Lelouch's voice decides to approach the two.
When Lelouch apologises to Suzaku for being late, Shirley looks at Lelouch with apparent anger in her eyes. While Suzaku busy talking to Lelouch, Karen uses the opportunity to get away from the two. Before Lelouch can go after her, Suzaku already asks him about the thing that Lelouch wanted to talk about before. A startled Lelouch tells him that it doesn't matter anymore now. Before they can talk any further, Lloyd appears at the party with Nina, telling Suzaku that unfortunately he has a job coming up soon. Millay herself is surprised to see Lloyd, which in turns causes Nina to be surprised since she wasn't aware that Millay knew Lloyd. Lloyd immediately drops the bomb by saying that he's her fiancee. An pissed-off Rivalz tries to interfere but ends up getting surprised when he finds out that Lloyd is actually an Earl and is Millay's fiancee. Later on inside a boat, Suzaku asks Cecile why they're heading towards Shikinejima.
Unfortunately neither Cecile nor Lloyd knows the reason. Zero, on the other hand, knows that there'll be a meeting between Euphemia and Britannian nobles on the island. However, since the island is not a strategic military base, there is only a minimal military power around the area. Zero who knows about this thinks that this is a good chance to do a surprise attack on Lancelot and capture Suzaku. Toudou immediately gives a light approval smile while Karen is relieved upon hearing this. Zero then goes to confront Diethard for indoctrinating Karen with ideas. Diethard claims that he just asked Karen to investigate Kururugi Suzaku although he did imply a few things to her as well. In response Zero asks Diethard if Diethard has forgotten his instruction to not assasinate Suzaku. Diethard argues the point by saying that what he did wasn't an assasination but applying a hammer of justice. Besides, no one can hide the truth from the media.
Zero becomes suspicious about this and wonders what Diethard real intention. Diethard admits that he's been fascinated with Zero ever since he saw Zero trying to free Suzaku. Ever since then, he wants the chance to film Zero because Zero is the man who created a faction intending to overthrow the government. Diethard believes that sooner or later Zero would rule the world and wants to document this historic moment. In response Zero reminds Diethard that interfering with event is a fabrication not documentation. Diethard claims that there is no information which is not subjective since it's always connected to a person's intention. Zero eventually fed up with the argument and reminds Diethard that he's not in charge of the military affairs. Later on, Euphemia, Suzaku, and the entourage have just arrived on the island when there is an attack in the nearby military base. Karen charge in and opens the pathway for the other members to attack the area.
Meanwhile, Suzaku wants to stay and protect Euphemia but she thinks he should go and help the military base. An officer doesn't trust Suzaku so Lloyd reminds him that questioning Suzaku is similar to criticising the royal family. A few minutes later, Lancelot joins in the fight against the Black Knight and immediately notices Zero standing on a nearby area. Suzaku decides to catch Zero and ends up following the guy into a sandy area which has been equipped by machine called Gefjun Disturber. As soon as Lancelot steps into the machine, Laksharta press the initiate button on the machine, causing Lancelot to stop operating immediately. Zero then asks Suzaku to step out, promising the other guy that he will comply with international laws regarding prisoner of war. At the same time, Euphemia wonders why Lancelot is not moving so Cecile tells her that it's because something interferes with the Sakuradite used in the drive.
Lloyd immediately recognises this as Gefjun Disturber but he didn't expect it to be operational. Because of this, he comes to a conclusion that Laksharta is behind this incident. Meanwhile, Suzaku is out of Lancelot and is now facing Zero who tells him outright that he wants Suzaku to be his ally. Suzaku is immediately acting confrontational by asking Zero if this is a threat and even if it is, he will decline Zero's offer. He reminds Zero that he once told the guy that there is no meaning to results which are obtained through the wrong method. In response Zero asks Suzaku if today's peace is also meaningless. He points out how if the do or die resistance had survived back then, the Chinese Federation and the EU would have intervened and Japan would be divided into three parts which are sill involved in war. In other words, today's peace was achieved due to a quick unconditional surrender. Upon hearing this Suzaku declares that he's fighting now to preserve the peace that his father achieved.
Zero disagrees with this, pointing out that the peace was determined by the person who selfishly killed the minister. Since there was disorder in the government, they had no other choice but to surrender. Zero thinks that the intention of the people were stolen from them by the offender who broke the rules. Suzaku is shocked to hear this so Zero continues the assault by saying that there's only one way to atone for this: by showing everyone the choice that the Japanese could not choose back then. The alternative to this is for Suzaku to force his ego on many people for eternity. He then ends his verbal assault by asking Suzaku if this is really a peace. All of a sudden Suzaku gets a message informing him about incoming missiles and that it's his obligation to keep Zero pinned in one place. While Zero is shocked, Suzaku uses the opportunity to hold Zero as a hostage. Meanwhile, Euphemia tries to stop the attack, reminding the soldiers that Suzaku is her Knight.
When she fails to do this, Euphemia gets into a frame, hoping that her presence in the area would stop the missiles. While this happens, Karen tries to save Zero by jumping into the ditch but Guren Nishiki is immediately powered off due to the Gefjun Disturber. Meanwhile, Suzaku has detained Zero inside his frame while the later tries to remind Suzaku that he will die too. All of a sudden, Suzaku's radio informs him that his death won't be in vain because his story will be told to future generations. At the same time, Toudou tries to stop the missiles by shooting at it while Karen jumps out of her frame, identifying herself as Karen from student council. Inside the frame, Zero tries to encourage Suzaku not to follow order but to think of what he wants. All of a sudden, the area is covered by dark shadows belonging to Schneizel's Avalon. In last ditch-effort to save himself, Zero decides to geass Suzaku seconds before Avalon showers the area with missiles.
Impression:
The scene where Toudou and Karen look relieved after Zero declared that they would just capture Suzaku is one of my favourite scenes from the series. I think it's at this point that Zero demonstrated his leadership quality to these two followers. He showed that he doesn't always have to take the hard way when there is another way to achieve his goal. Zero could have taken the easy way out and either kill Suzaku or Geass him right from the start but he chose not to do this due to a combination of his pride and his friendship to Suzaku. I think Zero was right when he said that Suzaku keeps talking about results obtained from wrong method is meaningless and yet that's exactly what Suzaku did when he killed his father. He did a wrong thing in order to achieve a result. If Suzaku wants to apply this standard to Zero, I think it's only fair that he looks into a mirror and realise that he's not any better than Zero when it comes to method.
Another thing that I don't understand about Suzaku is his insistence on following Britannian order no matter what. Is this meant to represent some kind of kamikaze spirit of Japanese warriors of the past? I can understand being loyal to a country which values you as a citizen. However, it is an entirely different to be loyal to a country which sees you as nothing more than a sacrificial goat. I believe the natural reaction for a human in this kind of situation is for that person's survival instinct to kick into high gear. Normal people would have realised that they're being used and would revolt long before the missiles could get that close. In other note, I think Shirley finally regains the memory that Lelouch geassed a few episodes ago. It'll be interesting to see if she'll keep the secret or if she'll use her knowledge against Zero. Speaking of Zero, I'm surprised to see Karen's loyalty towards him. I still can't believe that she was willing to expose her identity in order to save Zero from Suzaku.
Preview
On next week's episode: The Island Arc
Tekkaman Orange for the win!
LOL this show makes me actually want pizza hut.
If this had been created by other studios, Nina's crush on Euphemia would have been developed into something heart-wrenching. Thankfully this is Sunrise: the studio of exploitation, so I expect outrageous action from her like kidnapping Yuffie and subjects her to lesbian kiss. Maybe she can torture Suzaku too while she's at it.
You think the pizza hut advertisment is all over the place? Wait until episode 21. Now that's scary.
Long-awaited island episode next week. Can't wait to see the sunset scene....if there ever was one.
I can't believe Schneziel used Gawain's cannons to blow up the whole place...I mean that's like...crazy. You'll turn into dust already if you're in the way of a VARIS, but Gawain's cannon...incomprehensible. I do hope that this incident and whatever Kallen might say to Suzaku makes him throw away his current fake personality...
And Laksharta continues to rise in my favorite characters list.
Hmm, Orange-kun looks like he might actually become a threat now. About time.
I wonder if Suzaku will use this as an opportunity to change the system from the inside like he has been constantly preaching about like a trained parrot for the last 17 episodes.
The Gawain rocks, it so much cooler than Lancelot!
@Gideon020
Garten, I think he knows that the majority of Britannians hate him for being an Eleven. The best he can do is to try and earn their respect. While the adults, soldiers (I don't think that Dalton was sincere in his clapping, I see it more like intimidating the rest of the nobles out of loyalty to the royal family to follow Lloyd's lead), and some punk teenagers spy him with the suspicion that he may stab them in the back, you can see some change in how his classmates congratulate him on his new post. It's a slow, painful crawl and does not make good anime, but there are results. His following orders and willing to die for Britannia is most likely atonement for killing his father. Again, Suzaku and Lelouch are two sides of the same coin in many respects and I, for one, enjoy seeing the struggle between the two. Suzaku is willing to sacrifice his pride and life while Lelouch is willing to sacrifice everyone else (besides Nanally and apparently Suzaku).
And while a majority of you continue to hate on Suzaku, I would care to focus on Karen and Shirley and see where they end up. Karen's near-absolute devotion can only spell doom for her. But is her devotion being returned by Zero? I'm curious to see what Zero/Lelouch thinks of her. I don't think she deserves to be sacrificed like the JLF and would rather see her realize Zero's true motive like how Kaname is beginning to suspect. And Shirley's look is a definite giveaway that she's not too thrilled with Lelouch. I wonder how much she knows. I can't see the top of the letter from ep13, but I don't think it gets into her feelings for Lelouch and just asks why the Black Knights killed her father.
Some final notes, Zero should be careful about the dangers of a large organization. That's evident by Diethard's influencing Karen and his true motive. People have their own ideas and they will soon collide w/ Zero's. Also, Schneizel looks absolutely dangerous through his calm demeanor. However, I don't know if he's a villain or an ally, and for which side?
I do hope it turns out that Shirley doesn't remember anything, but only realized that Lelouch killed her father. So he'll have to face the old thing again without her being in love with him this time. It's such a golden opportunity for angst and Guy Turns Into Demon (again) scenes.
..............for some reason, I suddenly want the Lancelot to kick complete ass, though it annoyed me greatly when it did. I don't know why.
@Equivalent_t:
I must also agree with how annoying Lancelot's interference was in previous eps, although you probably want it to kick ass because Lelouch now knows how to deal with it. I kind of feel the same, but I would prefer Suzaku to stay out of Zero's way.
"I wonder if Suzaku will use this as an opportunity to change the system from the inside like he has been constantly preaching about like a trained parrot for the last 17 episodes."
Could be.. but i think it's still not enough. He needs more power inside Britannia.
Maybe if he becomes the governor general or something like that he could realize his intention to change Britannia. Although i think he won't reach that position because he's not the governor type ^^;
Orange-Kun what happened to you it seems like those guys at umbrella corp are giving you T-virus shots ^.^
oh about suzaku i know the whole ep ended with a cliffhanger so it might change next week but from my POV
this pic is so cute the expression on karen just tells it all how much she is concerned for zero/lulu i just wish that she finds out who zero really is ~_^
http://www.designchronicle.com/memento/images/codegeass/18/codegeass1827LG.jpg
@Raichie:
As negative as it sounds, Suzaku at the moment is exactly as the show portrays him to be - a dog of the Britannian military. Sure he's a knight now, but that's just a title (and a title that most Britannians still don't want him to have). His job hasn't really changed that much; the only thing technically "new" in his orders are something along the lines of "don't let Princess Euphemia die, or you're gonna face 10,000 deaths". (Not that Suzaku doesn't deserve ten thousand deaths...)
Furthermore a position such as governor of an area is quite out of reach for him based on how we've seen the Britannian system of government works. From what we've seen so far (which is really quite limited), the position of governor is based on heredity. I assume this because we have not encountered any governor that wasn't a part of the royal family of Britannia. Throw in the fact that Suzaku is an Eleven and everything points against him ever getting to any position of governmental power.
Sure he's an Honorary Britannian and all that, but the way Britannians in general treat him in any regard is as less than themselves. Let's also throw in the fact that he's on good terms with a scientist noble named Lloyd Asplund and more importantly is someone that the 3rd Princess Euphemia holds in high regard – enough to get him his the title of Knight. But the higher nobles and the rest of the royalty still do not consider Suzaku as anything more than a “pretty good pilot that conveniently helps us try to catch a known terrorist”. Governor-general Cornelia doesn’t seem to approve of the fact that she chose Suzaku as a Knight, and although you might say that Euphemia is starting to assert herself, the one with the authority has yet to give us any reason that Suzaku can move, if at all possible, up to a higher station of power.
@Orphen:
He WHAT? You mean that after all that time the little sack of pus doesn't even get to try and change anything? Not even in the military?
OK, any respect I had for Kururugi Suzaku just went down the sewer. VIVA ZERO!!!
To me the shows seems to be trying to say that you need both Zero and Suzaku
neither extreme polarities work
@T_I:
You're indeed right if you're talking about how true change occurs. Zero fuels the revolution, while Suzaku brings the reformation.
It's been said before that Zero's is the quickest and more effective means to bring about any change, but it is also the more unstable in its result. Zero initially brings anarchy to Britannia to try and force change. Now it seems that he really wants to wage a war against Britannia, especially in trying to bring the Chinese Federation into the picture. If his way succeeds, then Britannia would be removed from Japan and he could proceed to continue to destroy Britannia as he wishes.
Suzaku, as idealistic as I think he is senseless, pursues change internally. The main advantage is the lack of bloodshed required by Zero's revolution, at the cost of a slower pace. The main criticism of Suzaku's means however is his lack of obvious progress, along with other aspects of his character that people find intolerable, myself included.
@T_I
I get the opposite idea: if either them were not there, the other would have succeeded already.
Without Suzaku, Lelouch would have deposed the monarchy already.
Without Lelouch, Suzaku would have no resistance to worry about. He'd still be a long way away from changing anything, but his "no more deaths" mantra would be completed-ish.
A lot of people are getting angry at suzaku because he says he´s a dog of brittania, and that just makes me wonder: anyone remember episode 1?
Sure, he let himself get shot because he wanted to repent his sin but he opposed britania. He attacks zero because he believes zero is wrong in the same way lulu wanted to kill the lancelot pilot before he knew it was suzaku. Suzaku however, doesn´t know who zero is. He says those things because he believes in dying if he takes an enemy with him
I´m dying to see what he will do if he finds out who zero truly is since that´ll define who suzaku really is: if he refuses to fight lelouch than that shows he still has morals like in episode 1, if he obeys and tries to kill him in cold blood, than really, he has no salvation and I´ll gladly join his hate club.
The only thing I lament is everyone finding out his identity because, now, he can´t ever change side and join the OoBK since everyone will know about it and even if he leaves the military, everyone will go after him. In a way, by making his identity known, the writers might be foreshadowing the fact he will never change sides or give up the lancelot
Wow.. such a long explanation ^^ (why don't you put a username?)
Well, i can't say much about Suzaku... i still got a feeling that there's something hidden behind his (what almost of us assume as) inconsistency. Well, like i said many times before.
I'm not saying that Zero is on the right side too, after all he only seeks for his revenge, not actually helping the Japaneses.
I wonder why do everyone can't tell that Zero is Britannian? ^^; *just look at his costume design! It's Britannian!* XD
@Random passerby
Actually, I think my desire for Lancelot Pwnage has been there since around episode...14 or so. That's quite a while. Though now that I think of it, it's probably all those spoilers of Lulu's new mech that I want Suzaku to kick more ass. It's no fun if Lulu gets relatively combat-worthy and Lancelot is like what it is.
On LL vs. Suzaku : Don't you find it amusing that Lelouch sees this as something of a personal war when it's not, and Suzaku sees his 'no bloodshed whatsoever' philosophy as axiomatic when a sizeable part of it is a personal reaction from his past? And I agree, there'd be nothing wrong with reformation if he DOES a bloody thing about it. As it is, I don't think he would've been able to make even a small dent if he wasn't lucky enough to meet Euphemia. He's too passive for something that requires considerable action. Whatever criticisms can be leveled against Zero, he's right about one thing that Suzaku isn't : Change is something you bring about, not wait to be given.
(I actually really like Suzaku. He's incredibly messed up, possibly moreso than his counterpart)
mmmm lancelot being pawned well i think that there will be a long way to go before we see that thou todou putting a sun roof on the lancelot is a good appetizer
@ random
yeah but they don't need to work or think that hard i mean suzaku is not the brains in the series like lulu is not the brawn in the series ~_^
@Equivalent_T
.............and still, I just want Lancelot to kick ass because it gives us good animation.(which basically means, Sunrise, give me good animation or fry the Frame...or Frames)*hides in her own hole* But I'm sure that Lloyd will be doing some reinforcement now that Lancelot is beaten up twice. And the fact that Laksharta is on Zero's side. Actually, he should start with putting in the escape function. (I don't know, is Lancelot such a tricky frame that he can't manage to plug one in after a dozen of episodes?)
Re your rant in LJ because my-LJ-network-got-cut-off-again-because-it's-after-8:30(I do hope the university fixes the problem...it's been around for a month or so): Suzaku certainly is way too passive for what he says that he'll do. He does absolutely nothing because..uh..he really is 'afraid of stepping on the ants', and I doubt he would start changing unless he could get over the death of his dad by his hands. And in his current state, there's the question to as of he would take the opportunity even if it's handed to him in a plate. To me it seems that he actually backs away from opportunity, and in turn giving himself a satisfying but feeble reason so that he could forget about it and won't regret anything later on. Euphemia is still trying to change even when she failed multiple times and knew of the difficulties that lay ahead of her if she did try. She's the one that's trying to open a path. And Kaguya? I think she just appeared on the screen for like...6 seconds in an actual episode.XD;; I would certainly like to know more about her...other than her being Sumeragi Kaguya, that is.
*brain dies*
OMG!! orange-kun was alive!!!!
i think after lelouch know suzaku was lancelot pilot he's more wanted suzaku into his ally
btw how can lyold know Gefjun Disturber was Laksharta do??? if lyold know her???
can't wait watch next episode
I think the real problem about Suzaku's reaction to "We're aiming the missiles at YOU, so try to stand close to Zero, M'kay" is not how suicidal and blindly obedient it is, but how HYPOCRITICAL it is. When Zero did the same thing in episode 13, Suzaku couldn't get over how "monstrous" it was to treat one's own men like they're expendable. Yet when his superiors do the same thing to him, he just goes along with it.
Does anyone get the feeling the Emperor seems to be knowing more then he is letting on? He seems to be hiding some knowledge.
Also, we know that CC has some form of possibly 'telepathic' contact with someone...
Lloyd and Laksharta are probably the two top in their fields of science so its likely they know eachother.
What's up with Kaguya Sumeragi? She keeps showing up in the opening sequence, but so far, she only appeared in one episode really briefly.
"Another thing that I don't understand about Suzaku is his insistence on following Britannian order no matter what."
Suzuka most likely feels guilty for what he has done in the past, which is why he follows Britannian's orders so he can have a fitting death, a meaningless and pointless one, as redemption.
@muhi_kira:
I believe that Lloyd, Cecile, and Laksharta used to work together. Well, just see the 2nd Ending pics. It's like they were former colleagues
On the Lloyd and Laksharta thing, if the pictures at the end of the episodes are any clue about particular characters relationships in the show then it might mean that Laksharta is a older than Lloyd and was his teacher at some point (That picture does make Lloyd look like some sort of grad student afterall).
As for CC, I think she's always communicating with others like her, it's implied there's more than one like her considering how many of those capsules there are.
And finally, anybody else get the feeling that unless Lelouch gets an unconditional victory by the end of this episode they'll be a lot of people very unhappy? I saw this same sort of build-up of support for Yagami Light and when DeathNote ended there was literally a wave of hate towards how it ended.
Yay for new ep! Decided not to wait for the subs.
Anyone get the feeling that the Emperor has crazy powers too? For a brief moment there in the ep, it was like he was having one of those "conversations" that C.C. has, with someone we never see.
So two more new Knightmares. Can't say I'm impressed with the designs. One looks like a frog, the other a bat outta hell.
Anyone seen the new Picture Book? SO. HAPPY.
LunaticChaos:
Really? There was support for Light? Gawd, by the end of the first arc, I hated his guts with a passion. (Not because of WHAT he did, but rather how easily he did it. Not even a hint of regret.)I don't care what he might have been able to achieve, I wanted him to go DOWN.
@Defade : I can wait, really! ^^;; Kaguya reminds me of Euphie because she facilitates. I don't think Kyoto's support could be so easily won without her, even though she's not actively 'paving the path' herself. She's....actually like Pizza Hut, lol.
@ LunaticChaos : I wouldn't mind if Lelouch dies dragging himself off a cliff by the end really, and I was very much unhappy with DN's ending. I think most people were pissed by DN not because WHAT the ending is, but HOW it was done. Sure, the final scene was okay, but the rest....I can't speak for those who believe, but for those that don't...I was expecting more out of that event than DN delivered. And I felt cheated.
@equivalent_t:
I lol'd hard at the Pizza Hut comparison.
I'll wait for the subs, I can pick up a decent chunk of the Japanese Conversation but I'd rather have it the easy way.
I have a feeling the Emperor either has his own "Geass" or is actually a being like CC, CC was apparently human at one time afterall.
The frog...I'm assuming you mean the Avalon? I think that's just an air fortress. As for the Gawain, I liked what other fans have nicknamed it "Nekomimi"
@Blue
You better believe there was, I actually saw the end coming and I was disappointed in Light, and I hated the way they did it. But they had to end it somewhat abruptly considering the mangaka's wishes were to end it on chapter 108, I believe it's in reference the 108 sins or something like that in Shintoism. I think Deathnote is still a great manga and Light's still one of my favorite characters, all of the characters in the manga were incredibly realistic, none of them really seemed like they were made up afterall.
I think Kaguya is probably the imperial princess of Japan, the clothing and how we were introduced to her seems to support that as well. I doubt she'll play a major part until the second season though, or maybe she'll be a major player in the final two episodes of the first season.
@equivalent
I think the way they actually finished Deathnote was good, but the leadup to that point and how Light got revealed was severely disappointing.
I think the "frog" in question is the Knightmare that Euphemia hijacked. As for the Avalon and the "Nekomimi" Gawain, those things can kick some serious ass.
LunaticChaos:
No, the Avalon is fine. There's a Knightmare that Euphie pilots onto the field in the hopes of saving Suzaku. It REALLY reminds me of a frog. (An upright frog, perhaps, but a frog nonetheless)
As for the DeathNote characters, I could never really like the megalomaniacal types.
random passerby:
I still think they more resemble the ears on a bat. Too upright, long, and narrow for a cat's. Do we know it's the Gawain? I thought that was the name of the unit that Lelouch was supposed to get, which doesn't seem too likely given whose hands it's currently in.
Ahhh my bad then, think it's the mysterious 6th generation Knightmare that the show's been missing?
You have to admit though, it was a fun manga, I liked L just as much as I liked Light, just for different reasons.
@Blue
That is definently the Gawain, unless the spoilers are lying of course. It looks just like the spoiler pictures...Damn I can imagine it now, Lelouch suddenly jumps into the cockpit and starts laughing evily as only he could in a Knightmare that has Cat/Bat ears.
@Blue:
I agree that it does indeed look more like a bat, but don't ya think calling it nekomimi is more hillarious? ^^
"Ahhh my bad then, think it's the mysterious 6th generation Knightmare that the show's been missing?"
If so, it was a very disappointing generation.
"You have to admit though, it was a fun manga,"
I think it was fun until the plans got so convoluted and twisted it took (what seemed like) entire volumes to explain the reasoning behind it all.
"Lelouch suddenly jumps into the cockpit and starts laughing evily as only he could in a Knightmare that has Cat/Bat ears."
Lelouch: "I am....BATMAN!"
He certainly got the theatrics and cape down pat; all he needs to do now is change his helmet of doom for a more bat-themed look.
Visually speaking, but Euphemia probably is only as good as Lelouch as piloting if not worse. That or she's hiding an Amazon warrior under that weak image.
I don't know, the plans made sense to me. Then again you do have to remember that absolutely no planning was put into the manga, it was literally written on the fly each chapter.
"Lelouch: "I am....BATMAN!""
Good stuff. I would hurt myself from laughing if that actually happened....oh god, I can see the fan reworks of that scene now. It'll be almost as funny as the Orange-kun one with him singing the opening theme.
Well, great episode. Gawain and Schnitzel are awesome. I think Schnitzel was sad about hurting Lancelot(his creation) if anything, lol. I am excited about any military teamwork Schnitzel and Suzaku will do in the future, if the prince is willing.
Nina discussing the potiential of nuclear technology is scary, especially from the standpoint of a Suzaku fan, heh.
Lelouch stopping Kallen was funny, because I think Suzaku would have avoided injury with his skills anyway. Lulu probably just kept her identity secret, if anything.
Euphie telling Cornelia she would make numbers equal has a nice ring to it.
Well, Lelouch continues to differentiate the meaning of the lives of those he has built a bond with and those he hasn't. I do like Toudou, however: he is the only really honorable one who is also decently intelligent on the side of the rebellion. I'm sure he wouldn't mind killing Suzaku in battle, but not by assassination. Lelouch could care less if it was anyone else. It is that contradition that makes me dislike him.
Hmm. Well, when Suzaku trapped Zero, he had one option i think: to keep him as bait. He is willing to sacrafice his own life, but killing Zero would most likely end his and Euphemia's lives. Not good. When the missles were fired at him, not only did that give Euphemia and the non combatants an out while destroying the core of the BKs, but it also fufilled his goal; he would be given the heroes death, and his sacrifice toward Britainia could help japan, especially with Euphie around to preach it.
As a side note, I noticed quite a few comments were there questioning Euphemia's ability to pilot a Knightmare.
All things considered, I think it's very likely she had training. Does anyone remember back when they were describing Cornelia, who fought on the field as part of her way of proving she has the right to rule? That sounds very much in tune with their father's philosophy.
I wouldn't be surprised if every member of the royal family was trained to pilot Knightmares, at least to the point of competence.
The one who SHOULD have surprised us is Lelouch, since he was kicked out of the royal family when he was knee-high to a grasshopper and never joined the army. Still, someone said there were spoilers indicating that he was training in secret, so...
Well it's obvious she had training, she can at least pilot one. But I doubt she ever trained enough to be considered good, competent maybe, but competence really doesn't say much seeing as how the Sutherland pilots are probably supposed to be competent too. It doesn't really seem like the image we've been given of her for her to be an Ace like Suzaku, Karen, or Cornelia. You've seen it though, so is she any good?
Not really, Lelouch is after all a genius, if he didn't know how to pilot one before he got into the Sutherland he probably would have figured it out pretty quickly. The control scheme from what we've been able to see seems to be fairly intuitive and not incredibly complicated.
@LunaticChaos : Actually, there are spoilers...it did make sense somewhat that he'd know how to pilot. But I lol'd HARD at the Knightmare name. That name could have been the sole reason he's not so good at it, heh.
On DN, I agree. I like what the ending was about. The leadup and the aftermath was kinda...not what I expected.
.....'Nekomimi' is the best name ever for a Knightmare.
Guess I should have worded my statement better, even if not for that incident he would have had an easy time figuring it out. I do try to stay away from spoilers of future episodes, at least here.
I wonder if Lelouch actually managed to use GEASS on Suzaku
Here's a question that just occured to me. Does anybody else think Jeremiah, AKA Orange-Kun, might have a Geass?
This is based soley on a single assumption, but I think that may be what the new opening is hinting at.
Why do I think that?
1) The last time we saw him he collapsed in front of the trailer that was carrying a bunch of capsules similar to what CC was in thus there is a pretty good chance those capsules have people like CC in them.
2) CC said that "Geass" manifests itself differently in different people.
3) The half of Jeremiah that's blocked out could be the manifestation of his Geass if it isn't a Knightmare or he somehow became a some sort of cyborg.
4) The blocked out half doesn't really look like a Knightmare, it has a glowing eye, the spiky things looks more like armor than a mechanized arm with that smooth curved area between them. And it looks like it has hair not random feathery growths like Toudou's Gekka.
@Lunatic Chaos:
It could be.. but what still confuses me is C.C.'s word from the 1st episdoe.
Remember when Kallen's trailer crashed? Lulu then goes to see if they survived or not, but then he suddenly hears C.C. saying "Mitsuketa.. watashi no" (Finally.. i found my) that makes me think if Geass is given to the chosen one.
But after seeing another Geass user (Mao) who has his power when he's still 6. I guess that Geass can be given to anyone huh? ^^;
It could be that only certain people are capable of attaining a Geass and CC's words meant that she found someone who could recieve Geass and thus could rescue her from that predicament.
But that and Jeremiah being enhanced with cybernetic limbs or something are the two situations I see possible from that image, it really doesn't look like some sort of Knightmare. And like I said he did collapse in front of what is potentially a Geass gold mine.
And damn it all, could you people please stop seperating the parts of my name? It really looks weird that way.
My personal theory:
-The Emperor knows exactly what Lelouch/Zero are up to, and he wants to see if he can succeed. This fits into his speeches about societal/etc.... evolution and the strong should rule ideology. What's the best way to ensure your strongest progeny rules? Let him try and take over your empire. He has kept his children in the dark; no need to make it easy for them; this is a test for both L., C. and S.
-lolsubmarine?
@ Sos
You know, I have thought the same for a while. Which is why I think Lelouch is a tool, lol. Ever since the Clovis funeral, I figured the king might have a necromancer geass...
He has no reason to like what Suzaku is trying to do though--Suzaku's position goes against everything that the Emperor believes. Even if Suzaku IS technically fighting for him, he and Euphie are the Emperor's antithesis.
It's also entirely possible the Emperor has some way of tracking all his children such as having them all implanted with a tracking device from birth and probably also checks a variety of other little thing like whether they're alive or dead and maybe even what they're hearing.
Thus he would have known the exact moment Clovis died, would have known that Lelouch was near him at the time, and may have known what was being said at the time. When Lelouch revealed himself as Zero I think the emperor was well aware of who he really was.
This would fit his idealogy more don't you think? To let the strongest rule and prosper, but at the same time remaining completely aware of all goings on.
For the question, "If he knows about them being alive all this time, why hasn't he done anything?" I think that's fairly simple to answer, he wants to see what his most rebellious child is going to do.
I find the possibility of Geass likely, but I think it's more likely he's had unrestricted access to all sorts of information about all his children for the longest time.
Personally, I also think he's looked a bit too happy whenever he shows up in the present in this series. So he has to know a lot more than he's letting on.
hmms, orange-lun having geass as well? i really wont mind then, provided he doesnt do anything madd that highjacks lelouch's plans..
the emperor does seem to know a lot. just wondering, would lelouch go after Schneizel as obssessively as he had done with cornelia? is he going to start sending all his half-brothers and sisters to hell?!
hmms, and can anyone explain what does 'nekomimi' mean? why's the gawain nicknamed that? O_o
Well nobody ever said Geass has to be an eye power, if Jeremiah has one it looks like it'll be a physical Geass.
I think Lelouch is probably going to wage all out war against Schneizel, Schneizel is afterall the only one who ever beat Lelouch at Chess if I remember correctly.
Neko = Cat
Mimi = Ear(s)
NekoMimi = Cat Ears
Gawain has gained that nickname because it looks like it has a pair of prop cat ears on it's head.
Lol the same nobles that were in episode seven are shown again next to Lloyd.That makes it possible that Lloyd could've known Lelouch since he is working under Schneizel..What annoys me about this episode is that Kallen is starting to be shown as a mindless follower doing anything that she "thinks" will help Zero and being easily influenced by Diethard..What happened to her unique and firey rebel personality?!Or any of her personality to be exact DX
I personally think it's because of the mask, Zero represents the perfect leader to Kallen because she know's absolutely nothing about the real him. It's common to create a persona for anybody you don't know or don't know well and base it on what you do know.
When you think about it, that's probably what's happened with all the Black Knights, he represents an ideal leader, man, whatever to each of them. It's one reason why when he doesn't live up to their expectations they act completely surprised and even disappointed. This could explain why Ougi wants to know Zero's identity badly enough that he'd risk taking in what he could tell was a Britannian solder to learn it.
This is basically all the Black Knights know about Zero
1) He's Britannian, which means he's not acting out of desperation like the majority of the Black Knights, he's acting out of ideas.
2) He has been confirmed by a major supporter of the resistance to have a genuine hate of Britannia
3) He's a tactical genius that even in his "defeats" he gains smaller victories.
Everything past that is a bunch of guesswork on whichever character is looking at him. And generally speaking when you view what you do know as good you won't imagine any flaws to go along with it.
LunaticChaos:
Ok, seriously, there's a screencap of Gawain on this very page. NO cat has ears like that.
As for the Geass, while there's no reason why it has to be a eye-power, I think it still has to be mental in someway. Every example of geass power involves tapping into the brain somehow. Plus, I cite Wiki for the common definition of geas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geas
Granted, Mao's was different. But his power allowed him to manipulate/order people like Lelouch did.
My guess is that the science team that once had C.C. was trying to figure out ways to create more people like her, and without the original, they can only go by the data they have left, and may have just created an imperfect mutant.
LunaticChaos:
"This could explain why Ougi wants to know Zero's identity badly enough that he'd risk taking in what he could tell was a Britannian solder to learn it."
Actually, I was under the impression he was prepared to kill her if she DID know. Wasn't there a moment where he was holding a gun, or gun-shaped?
Sure, he took her in, when she was mindlessly rambling about knowing Zero, and then passing out. He strikes me as too nice a guy to just kill based on the suspicion though. So I think he took her in to keep tabs on her, and kill her if if necessary.
And aren't you happy I never break up your name?
Granted they don't look like them, but they really don't look like bat ears either, more like horns or antennas if you ask me. But that's the first thing that comes to mind when you think "Long pointed ear-like structures"+"Anime." Sides like I said, I only liked the nickname, another group came up with it.
It's certainly possible that it has to be a mental power, but that doesn't mean it has to be. Mao's telepathy makes sense given he was cut off from the rest of society with no education and really no way to understand other people. And Lelouch's makes sense because he naturally expects people to do what he'd do, an example is that he's disgusted in episode 1 when no one tried to help the crashed truck like he'd do and does. With Jeremiah his power taking on a physical form rather than a mental one would make sense given the guy takes actions and the direct route instead of a manipulative route like Lelouch and Mao typically do. Though seriously, I doubt he's some sort of mutant now, mentally unbalanced oh hell yes, but not a mutant. Cyborg is the most likely second guess, and a distant third would be that he has a new knightmare.
I will resort to spoilers this once though, apparently his reappearance is supposed to rip off an earlier scene from the show.
Besides, Geass is only the name of Lelouch's ability, as fans we just refer to the power in general as Geass because it's simpler that way.
I don't know, I think the power granting ability might have been of more value to them, plus it would explain why they completely cut her off from the outside world so that she couldn't pass on the ability to someone. If it was just that immortal nature then they wouldn't have needed such precautions.
I don't know, I think Ougi probably wouldn't kill her either way unless she attacked him. The gun was probably just a safety measure for himself. Plus if it was just keeping Zero's name a secret that he was concerned with he would have turned her over to Zero who could keep infinitely better watch over her through the Black Knights.
Quite happy you haven't broken my name up, only person who does so if memory serves. It's very annoying when the Lunatic is seperated from the Chaos, they don't like that.
thanks for the clear explaination, Lunatic
Chaos. think the gawain's ears are more lyk some sea monster's ears..
orange-kun's new form, hmms.. think that he wont appear as half good old jeremiah and half mutant.. that feels way too off-ed and weirdd. maybe he'll just appear as a totally remodelled orenji with some robotic laser eye..
somehow, i also feel that orange-kun will go looking for zero for revenge. but he wont be flanked by britainnia or anyone, seeing that he's not on good terms with any. zero would be shocked of course to see him in his new form, and maybe c.c will come into the picture to help clear up the mess? seems that c.c is zero's best weapon against any non-human threats.. esp if there's linkage to geass.
I also think Orange-kun got the Geass. There's those capsules, after all.
Also.
>>1) He's Britannian, which means he's not acting out of desperation like the majority of the Black Knights, he's acting out of ideas.
Correction. They don't even know he's Britannian. All they know is that he isn't Japanese, so he could've been an Italian plumber for all anyone knows. Or from another conquered country that has reason to hate Britannia. He's really whatever they want to see in him.
Logic:
1) They think he's most likely Britannian, It's Japan, the only people there are the Japanese and Britannians and he already discredited the Japanese assumption.
Why wouldn't he be a rare foreigner from somewhere else? If Zero was Chinese or EU would have a lot more resources from Government backing, both countries would have more than enough reason to oppose Britannia and would eagerly do so as long as it didn't brake any truces they had with it or at least they could reasonably deny any involvement. If he was from another conquered territory, how the hell did he get the money to travel to Japan and more importantly why is he there in the first place instead of in his own organizing that resistance? Especially considering Britannia is a nation that clearly distinguishes between numbers and Britannians. It would be an exceptionally good and reasonable guess that he's Britannian.
And quite frankly, wasn't that my point? That he represented the ideal to each of them? They all assumed he was Japanese up until Kirihara.
LunaticChaos:
I'm just saying those ears look closer to these:
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/animals/images/primary/vampire-bat.jpg
than to these:
http://www.nicomi.com/gallery/zinno/nekomimi.jpg
If in the end Lelouch wins, this is what I am visioning as the confrontation with the emperor may look like.
Lelouch faces his father who is not angry at the rebellion because just like is ideals said, conflicts led to Lelouch becomming the strongest fittest to succeed.
Also the Gawain looks more like the egyption god Anubis then a cat.
Also the Gawain looks more like the egyptian god Anubis then a cat.
Well since you insist on continuing this even though I said I just like the nickname...
There is very little difference in basic shape between the ears of bats and cats, the only real difference in basic shape is the size in comparison to the head. Past that the only differences are in details. The only distinctly bat-like thing about the Gawain's "ears" are the ridges it has.
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/animals/images/primary/vampire-bat.jpg
http://www.catfacts.org/cat-picture-full.jpg
Now if you really have a problem with the name go yell at 2Chan's members for coming up with the nickname or animesuki's members for liking that nickname too.
As for the Anubis comment....That's bloody brilliant...I never even considered Egyptian mythos with the name Gawain...And that actually makes sense considering the Gawain would basically be like a God of Death on the battlefield with those cannons. And those ears do look like Anubis' ears.
Er. You might have misunderstood my intent. I never really tried to refuse or argue against your point, that statement was basically a "yeah, word, but you got one tiny detail wrong".
Basically, if there's any Black Knight who haaaaaaaaaaaaaates Britannia enough that he can't imagine their leader being a Britannian EVER, he still has the option of thinking Zero is not Britannian. It's very much in support of your point, just given a more widened base.
There really was no need to bring it up because it wasn't important, the point I was making was though. Saying correction which basically is saying that the entire statement was wrong because I said "know" instead of "probably is" is highly annoying.
Well this is true, that such a person wouldn't think Zero could possibly be Britannian, the majority of the Black Knights, or at least those who don't have problems with Britannians in general, would assume he's Britannian if he's not Japanese. Departing a little bit from their ideal but not enough for them to be disillusioned. However the fact is that Zero being Britannian is still the most obvious conclusion one could come to.
"Warning in German and Launch message in English"
Nice observation. Is it a mistake on Sunrise's part? Seems funny to me for some obscure reason.
Hmm will this episode's ending somehow become the catalyst for Suzaku finally joining the Black Knights...I wonder.
Oh the other hand, he seems to be set up as one of the people who will die in the end or leave to live somewhere in a remote place or just disappear wandering the world.
One possibility for Jeremiah/Orange's look in the opening sequence.
Instead of him physically looking like half human half whatever, perhaps its more like a transformation look implying that the scientists did some experiments on him and gave him some sort of mutation which allows him to change from human form to some other form.
Could it be perhaps they turned him into a minature Knightmare frame?
I don't understand this accusation of Suzaku's supposed 'hypocracy'.
He believes that things should be changed gradually from the inside, as bloody revolutions are just that, bloody (not to mention inheriently unstable).
'But he killed hiz fadder s9os he-d hypoc-RIT-e lolz.'
Anyone stop to consider that this may be the reason WHY he thinks as he does now? He sees the results of his actions and thinks them not worth what he did?
Granted, it would be nice if he came out and SAID this, but....
Another point in Sazuku's defense; HE might not be able to change anything, but as Euphemia's knight, he can change her perspective, and SHE can change things. Heck, we've already seen the evidence that she would change the Empire already, and it's that dastardly Zero that's keeping her bitchy sister around doing bitchy things, preventing her from ruling 'justly and fairly.'
But then we get into the part where if not for Zero Sazuku would probably have never become Lancelot's pilot or meet Euphemia and....gah my head hurts!
What I really like about this episode is it shows that neither is as steadfast in their beliefs as they would like to believe; Suzaku, after criticizing Zero about using his subordinates like chess pieces, willingly becomes a chess piece himself (though one could make the arguement that it was his own choice as a soldier to do so, and that at least he was given the choice) while Lelouch uses Geass on Suzaku after stating that for his pride, friendship and stubborness, he wouldn't. The one who would choose life over pride decides to die for that pride, and the one who would choose pride over life throws away his pride to save his life.
Now THAT'S story-telling.
@ Da_Fan:
I like the way you think, lol. However, I believe some people can't get past the fact that even though Suzaku is willing to join an entity like Britainia, he still boasts a strong sense of doing what is right.
Anyway, Suzaku will get more tragic, but so will Lelouch. It all goes back to what you are willing to do to get things done.
About the life and pride thing, I think Lelouch has always put his life first, and Suzaku has always put other lives first(after the deal with his father). It is ironic though, like you pointed out, how when it comes to their own choice of "sacrifices" for the people of Japan, they are not willing to do so personally: Lelouch with his life, Suzaku with his pride.
@LunaticChaos
Huh. Well, I apologize for annoying you? Nitpicking is something of a habit, and that probably wasn't the best wording I could've used. I don't think we really have much of a disagreement, it's just that the script looks like it took some pains to go with "He is not Japanese" instead of "He is Britannian", and I thought it's worth mentioning.
so in this ep. Lelouch is "checkmate" by his older brother Schneizel pretty badly, huh? coz this is it is too obvious as a tray that even Suzaku commented that they should have choosen a more safe location.
Zero falls into trap at this level?
Schneizel's so call "trap" involves little or no strategy at all. its like throwing a few tons of hydrogen bomb and mission complete. i sense no charming at all.....
seemingly there is no way out.... so.....Lelouch! supurise me in next ep.
oh, but don't disappoint me with technology or supernature crap as way out....
With reference to "Schneizel's hydrogen bomb strategy" and the detail research that Yagami Light have done on death note's usage.
If I am Kira, I will do the followings:
1. Using the death note property that it will never run out of paper, I will team up with a recycling paper company, by providing this company with unlimited free supply of paper, and in return, I request them to export their "recycle paper" to the whole world at fairly low price.
2. When this "recycle brand" become available all over the world. with death note's ability to control people's action before die, I will ignite the death wave by writing the following, say at least one person at each city:
"XXX will go to get some "recycle brand" paper. Then XXX will write down and think the face of all people XXX know, in the exact sentence here using "recycle brand" paper. And then just died."
This should eliminate like 99% of all people on earth, including myself.
....
but mission complete.
simple and clean, huh?
I wouder what will happen if Geass is used to order someone to do some impossible task?
Say, if I geass someone to fly with bare hand, will this person keep trying until somehow died of jump off from higher ground? or will this person just give up by seeing that it is impossible to accompanlish in his life-time?
I guess that "Radiation Wave" wasnt so bad for Orange kun. I wonder if they will make him suffer more....
Even in reality, most of the time Generals and military commanders don't care whether their tactics and strategies are elegent and charming, they don't give a **** as long as the plan of action they take gets the job done.
Schneizel's trap may not be charming and elegant, but it was very effective.
Ehhhhh Lulu and Karen 4ever
Lol theres a lancelot and a gawain..... you think there will be a arthur too?
@lulu
i dont think the person would do it. The geass will only work if the person is capable of carrying out the order. So giving orders like "Fly away" will probably not work
However, Theres a high chance my theory is wrong. So it is fun question to discuss
Lulu and Karen forever XDXD
Ok so Suzaku is Lancelot
Schneizel is Gawain
CC is Morgan le Fey or Merlin?
Then I wonder who the other equivilents are:
Arthur?
Mordred?
Percivel?
Bedivere?
Kay = Ougi?
Lady of the Lake?
if there are any equivilents that is.
In between the first and the second season, they're also going to release one drama CD per month. I wonder if any mystery will be resolved in the drama CD. I think some parts of the drama CD series will be school comedy but then maybe some will be used to explain the mysteries surrounding Lelouche's mom as I think she is the key to the second series.
Why Novan, have you forgotten? The Cat is Arthur, and Schneizel isn't keeping Gawain. Hell if he kept that thing the show would be over pretty quickly.
Hmm I was just watching the OP sequence again, it seems to indicate that both Nina and Shirley will join the Black Knights, since it's only the member's of Lelouch's rebellion who are standing in front of a white wall (the kind in police stations where they take your mugshots).
Ahh nevermind, it also shows Schniezal, the emperor and euphie standing like that also.
I think Karen will be the equivilant of King Arthur's most loyal knight. If only I can remember who it was... Bedivere?
Ougi could be the equivilant of Sir Kay, cant think of any others atm.
I just hope Lelouch isnt being portrayed as the equivilant of Mordred.
If the characters are actually being compared to the Knights of the Round Table, that says something rather interesting about Suzaku don't you think? Lancelot did ultimately betray Arthur and that betrayal led to the destruction of the unity in Arthur's court.
From there it all depends on who represents Arthur. If the Emperor of Britannia represents Arthur or one of his children besides Lelouch represents Arthur then that means Suzaku is going to be the key to the destruction of Britannia.
If Lelouch represents Arthur that means that Suzaku will lead to a rift in the Black Knights that will eventually destroy the organization.
As for Lelouch being Mordred, remember Mordred is not always depicted as the son and traitor of Arthur's court, in a few tales he is the true heir to the throne being the legitimate child of Lot and Anna, Arthur being the illegitimate child.
I don't see the Arthurian tales holding up to well, since iirc, Gawain was the most noble and pure-hearted of them all.
He may have also become the guardian of the Holy Grail.
But you can see my problem with the current Gawain and "noble," or "pure-hearted."
I gotta agree with you for once Blue....*Checks the temperature in Hell*
I doubt they are actually based on the Knights of the Round. It'd be interesting if they were though considering what that would say about the different pilots.
Though a counter-argument would be, The Gawain will become Lelouch's Knightmare, and Gawain is completely loyal to Arthur. If Lelouch is being compared to Arthur then Gawain falling under Lelouch's control makes sense.
Arthur wasn't exactly the nicest of guys, he ordered that all noble children born on a May day put out to sea on a rickety ship because of a prophecy that such a child would destroy him and his kingdom. Which means Lelouch isn't thrown out of the running for being Arthur because of his philosophy.
Oh and I forgot, Galahad was the purest of them all not Gawain and was the one who found the Holy Grail. Arthur considered Galahad to be the greatest of his Knights, surpassing even Lancelot in his eyes at least, and in fact probably was superior.
Lelouch gaining Gawain would actually really make sense, Gawain was a friend to young knights, a defender of the poor, and a consummate ladies man. Not to mention Gawain was fiercely loyal to Arthur.
Second thought, now that I think about it, I'm thinking the Knightmares are reflective of their owners now.
Knowing the japanese manga/anime creators, I am sure they took a lot from the legends of King Arthur, and they did take some from Norse mythlogy and a few others, but that doesn't mean they will hold true to those legends, they'll probably twist some parts around.
You mean Yggddrasil and Ragnarok? I think the former is only thrown in to sound cool.
Though here's an interesting thought, maybe Nunnally is supposed to be Arthur and Lelouch is actually Gawain.
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