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ローゼンメイデン 
January 11, 2007 | 
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Opening Theme: 「解読不能」- Kaidoku Funou
Performed by Jin - AVI version (31.8MB) | PSP version (14MB)
I like this better than last week's episode mostly because there is more urgency to the storyline. This episode, however, makes me really annoyed with Suzaku's self righteous attitude. He acts as if he's someone who is not aware of the idea that there will be casualties in a battle. Thankfully that is offset by some interesting moments in the story especially the ones involving Shirley. Moving along, the new OP is not as bad as I thought it would be but it's not as good as Colors so I don't see the point of changing it since the imagery are almost similar anyway. The new ED, on the other hand, is quite good. Although I like ALI PROJECT's song, this one is equally good and features some new stills to go with it.
The episode begins with the funeral of Shirley's father. When people starts to bury the casket, Shirley's mother starts crying, so Shirley quickly comes and comforts her. While she does this, Shirley remembers how she once told her father that she wanted to be his bride but back then her father told her that she would find someone that she likes someday. Her father also mentioned once that there are different types of love but if Shirley loves that person and if that person loves her back then he would celebrate from the bottom of his heart. After the funeral is over, Shirley returns to her friend who all look gloom. When Karen apologises, Shirley wonders why she should feel that way. Rivalz points out that he's basically sorry that back during the hotel highjacking he thought that the Black Knights were cool. Millay advises Shirley not to hold back her tears because it'd be harder on her if she do this. Shirley, however, claims that she's had enough of crying.
Suzaku suddenly exclaims that the Black Knights are cowards. He thinks they just followed Zero's order blindly. He believes a result which is obtained using wrong methods would not change anything. Millay then asks everyone to go home, leaving only Lelouch and Shirley to talk privately to one another. Much to Lelouch's surprise, Shirley apologises to him for what she did the other day (kissing him out of the blue). Because of this, she asks him to forget about it. She realises now that what she did was wrong and that the kiss didn't make her happy. Shirley then runs away before Lelouch can even talk to her. That night, Lelouch returns to his home and sits quietly, ignoring his mobile. Upon seeing this, C.C wonders if Lelouch regrets the fact that he's just involved the father of a friend in this. She reminds him that he once told Kirihara about walking in the path of carnage and tells him that he has killed many people using his hand.
The people that Lelouch killed surely has family, friends, and loved ones and therefore she wonders if Lelouch didn't realise this beforehand. Lelouch denies this and claims that he realised this fact ever since he killed Clovis. In retaliation, C.C asks him why he's in doubt right now. She sarcastically wonders if his feeling is swayed due to the kiss. To add insults to injury, C.C thinks that despite his self-important words, in the end Lelouch is nothing more than a snout-mouth, big-headed virgin. This completely pushes Lelouch to the limit and C.C into the bed. Hmm, it seems she likes it rough. Anyway, a stone-faced C.C tells Lelouch that he has no right to tremble or stop right now. She reminds him that he has a reason to live and therefore she doesn't want him to disappoint her. To alleviate his frustration, Lelouch decides to take a shower while his hand pounds the wall and his mind remembers what other people have said to him before.
When he remembers Nanaly, Lelouch regains his resolve again and remembers his promise to Kirihara. Because of this he decides to contact Ougi. Meanwhile, Shirley can be seen standing outside her house when a car arrives nearby. She steps into the car and meets someone who is holding a picture of Lelouch. Later on, Lelouch resumes his identity as Zero and based on the information provided by Diethard, finds out that Cornelia is preparing her army to go after the Japan Liberation Front. Because of this, he'd like to use the opportunity to attack Cornelia's army. Ougi, however, thinks they should be helping Japan Liberation Front to escape but Zero reminds him that they are the Black Knights and their purpose is the annihilation of Cornelia's army. At the same time, Dalton is in the middle of briefing Suzaku about the mission to capture Katase. Suzaku is responsible to block ground attacks so the marine army can capture Kitase.
Dalton believes that this is a chance for Suzaku to be promoted and therefore Suzaku should do his best. After Dalton left, Lloyd tells Suzaku that this is a loyalty test and therefore he wonders what Suzaku will do. In response, Suzaku grips his Lancelot key tightly. Meanwhile, Shirley is now seen walking along the harbour area looking for Lelouch. As it turns out, back then Villetta was the one who showed Shirley a picture of Lelouch and told her that he is probably involved with the Black Knights. Because of this, Shirley decided to follow Lelouch when he left the house on his own. Unknown to Shirley, Villetta has been secretly following her. Meanwhile Lelouch is startled when Karen finds him resting while covering his head only with towel. Karen immediately apologises but Lelouch can tell that she's in doubt. Karen admits that she used to think that fighting for justice was the right thing to do and that's the reason why she fought and killed people.
Having said that, she wonders if their way will really change the world. In response Zero tells her that they will change it or rather they have no choice but to change it. He knows that there will be sacrifices along the way but this is why they can't stop and must win so that the blood of those that got killed were not wasted. Having said that, he won't force Karen to go along with him. Karen, however, tells Zero that she participate in making this progress with him. In response, Zero thanks Karen. At the same time, C.C can be seen walking on her own, telling herself that she can't repeat the same failure again. Somewhere near the sea, Cornelia kick-start the operation by sending the marine forces underwater. Their target is a ship controlled by the Japan Liberation Front. Suzaku and the other frames then begin by shooting soldiers on the ship one by one. This causes Suzaku to be in doubt but Cecile reminds him that he's supposed to be a professional soldier.
Thanks to the land forces' attempt, the marine forces manage to climb over the ship without much difficulty. Unknown to them, however, Zero has prepared a floating bomb which now hovers underneath the ship. Zero then blows the ship, killing Katase and every Britannian marine units which managed to climb it. He then launches an attack on the remaining Britannia forces while telling the Black Knights that they will repay the blood of the Japan Liberation Front by defeating Cornelia. With that in mind, Zero launches his Frame, Burai along with Karen's Guren Nishiki. Cornelia manages to destroy his frame's left arm but her own frame is quickly constrained by Guren Nishiki. Before Zero can shoot her, however, he detects the presence of a human using his heat censor. Needless to say, he's shocked upon finding out that the person is none other than Shirley. Suzaku uses this hesitation to kick Zero's frame, effectively saving Cornelia.
Suzaku then preaches about how Zero's way is not going to change anything. He thinks Zero pursues results without caring about other people's pain and therefore accuses him as a murderer who uses other people's life to lure his enemies. Zero is equally pissed off at this point and asks Suzaku why he's always in his way. In response, Suzaku demands to know why Zero always spills blood unnecessarily. Unfortunately for Zero, Suzaku then proceeds to destroy his frame piece by piece, leaving only the cockpit near the hangar. Before Suzaku can destroy the cockpit, however, Karen already attacks Lancelot using Guren Nishiki. While the frames have their fights, Shirley approaches Zero, who is now trapped underneath the cockpit. Shirley picks up a gun and tries to aim it at Zero but before she can shoot the guy, Zero regains his consciousness and in the process drops his mask, revealing the upper part of his face: that of Lelouch.
Impression:
I can't say that Zero's method is not cruel and underhanded but at least he is aware that he creates casualties along the way. Suzaku, on the other hand, helps Britannia to kill his fellow countrymen and then had the gall of accusing Zero for being a murderer. What a hypocrite. I can't believe that he doesn't realise that the reason that Japan Liberation Front or Black Knights exist in the first place was because their rights and dignity were trampled on by Britannia. Britannia had no right to colonise any country that it wants and then force that country to confirm to their rule and regulations. I think what annoys me the most is the self-righteous speech that comes out of his mouth in this episode. He seems to believe that Britannia's way spills less blood when that is clearly not the case. This is a country which annihilates anything that stands in its colonising way. In my opinion, Suzaku's hand is as dirty if not more than Lelouch's.
With that said, it's also clear that Lelouch/Zero has decided to go the hard way, ignoring casualties along the way. He, however, still has difficulty with it especially when it comes to his friends like Shirley. This makes me wonder if Lelouch and Suzaku ever finds out each other's identity, I wonder who would be least hesitant to kill the other. At this point, I'd say Lelouch because everything that has been shown thus far shows that he's quite loyal to his friends while Suzaku seems quite willing to ditch his loyalty for the 'greater good', even when the 'greater good' is clearly unreachable. Another interesting point here is C.C's attempt to ensure that Lelouch doesn't stray from his path of carnage. I still don't understand what she is planning or want and her relationship to the other Geass user, Mao. Speaking of C.C, Cheese-kun is really cute. I kind of want one now although I think I'd get sick of Pizza after eating no more than 2 boxes.
Ending Theme:
「モザイクカケラ」- Mosaic Kakera
Performed by Sunset Swish - AVI version (24.5MB) | AVI mirror (24.5MB) | PSP version (14MB)
looks like Lelouch is in big trouble this time !!
and is that c.c new clothes in the Ending Theme ? .. dosn't suit her at all O_o
The new ED looks good. Is it just me or Millay reminds everyone else of Shizuru? It looks like she loves to grope Shirley.
What's funny is that the seiyu for Millay also played xxxHolic's Yuuko. And the third image of CC is really gorgeous.
Still have'nt gotten over Viz licensing Death Note, damn. But anyways, rude language and hatred aside, new episode of Geass is finally out. I was hoping this arc could be over fast, as i've read the spoilers and things do not bode well for Lulu in this arc, well if the spoilers are true anyway. Ending part of CC looks like a flashback.But this arc is still very exciting, at least i think it is/and hope.
The new OP is bad. The song is okay but the voice of that singer XD.
The ED song is quite good though, but I find it really annoying that 95% of the OP/ED animation were recycled.
Why do you stop writing about Bleach Review?
ohh~ this ep looks more interesting than say the last. especially the new ED =D *goes to leech* ^^;;
Here the web
http://www.pizzahut.jp/whatsnew/041_070109_codegeass/
Can i kill shirley?
Where's Orange-kun in the OP? I will stop watching this series if they kill him off.
Can't wait for more. O_O
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Uhm, can you possibly upload the vid in sendspace or some other upload site. megaupload never really works for me on any hour or any day....
Uhm, can you possibly upload the vid in sendspace or some other upload site. megaupload never really works for me on any hour or any day....
Okay. Here is the AVI mirror to the Ending theme. The opening is not in megaupload so I hope you can download it.
Edit: Cheese-kun downloads.
NEW op is bad
i don't ever think shirley will know who's the true indentity of zero so soon
i hope suzaku will open his eyes that britannia more cruel than black knight
Suzaku is right. Lelouch is so caught up in winning that he fails to take into consideration what damage his actions can do.
It's a complicated issue, and both Suzaku and Lelouch are on very opposite sides of the spectrum. The truth is somewhere in the middle between the both of them. So they're both right, and they're both wrong.
I think stories tend to "glamorize" the idea of a resistance group, so I'm very happy that Suzaku is there as a counterbalance. I think it's too easy to dismiss him as self-righteous or stupid, but if you really think about it, his ideas have as much merit as Lelouch's do. (In other words, both are flawed, but addressing BOTH the issues they put forth is what leads to genuine change)
Think of it as MLK compared to the Black Panthers.
cant wait for the sub and the next episode. Hopefully Suzaku and Lelouch figure out eachother cause that will be an interesting episode.
good Ending
I cant wait for the sub and the next episode too
Thanks for another great summary : o.
"Suzaku is right. Lelouch is so caught up in winning that he fails to take into consideration what damage his actions can do."
It seems more like to me that Lelouch believes that going straight for the win to get it over with quickly in the best possible way is the better choice of action and would spill a lot less bloodshed than letting Britannia continue with their ways. I would have to agree with him. I mean, it's not like he consciously attacks innocent civilians like Britannia does.
I agree fully with Garten on every point he made about Suzaku. Suzaku is too idealistic, too. The idea that a war can be fought without casualties is purely naïve. I'm surprised he can fight along with this country, he should be aware of what they are doing to the Japanese people, as he was in Shinjuku.
Was anyone else reminded of Gundam SEED when they showed Lancelot launching from that flying base in the opening
Whoops, "Suzaku is right. Lelouch is so caught up in winning that he fails to take into consideration what damage his actions can do." is supposed to be in quotations =/.
"It seems more like to me that Lelouch believes that going straight for the win to get it over with quickly in the best possible way is the better choice of action and would spill a lot less bloodshed than letting Britannia continue with their ways."
If that was the case, he could have ended it in episode two by forcing a plane to take him to Britannia, forcing his way into the royal palace, and killing the Emperor instead of hanging around in Japan trying to kill a few of his half siblings.
Suzaku is right in that the underlying IDEALOGY of Britannia has to be addressed if they want to make lasting change.
Lelouch can topple all the dictatorships he wants, but until the general public begins to come around to the idea that all people are equal and the weaker ones must be protected by the strong instead of trampled, then it won't do a damn bit of good.
On the other hand, Suzaku is also mistaken if he thinks he can affect that ideaology on his lonesome. Lelouch, whatever his methods, is attracting a lot of attention to the Elevens' cause. That is something no single person can accomplish.
Suzaku jeez. So naive..... i swear. Getting rather annoying......
Anyway I really hate the new opening and the ending is kinda lame. Since a new theme song is introduced at least make it as up beat as Colors (cool song suited code geass really well)....... these new songs stink.
There is a reason why Lelouch had not done what you suggest. Remember Lelouch had two goal. One is as you already mention and another is to find his mother killer. He is not likely accomplish the former before the latter.
I don't think that Suzaku's motives are purely ideological, but also redemptive. Ep 11 has him seeing his father and exclaiming that he had to do what he did. If he is feeling some guilt over whatever incident that was, maybe trying to be noble now about not killing anyone is a way to alleviate some guilt.
And I don't think Lelouch would care so much if all of Japan was aflame as long as he found his mother's killer. He may talk about the weak protecting the strong, but what will he do once he becomes the strong one?
After watching this episode, they have slightly bounced back from last week's episode.
Here is the main problem with last week's episode. There were too many sub-plots revealed. I don't understand why they did that. Eventually, people forget those sub-plots until it is brought up again. So why bother? Wouldn't it just be better to introduce the sub-plot and resolve it without having to keep jumping around to other plots?
Unlike Garten, I am not so lienient with song changing unless it's for the better. Unfortunately, this song is sooo bad that I rank it as bad as Gundam Seed Destiny OP2. As for the new ED, I say it's an improvement from the first ED.
There are several things I like to point out about this episode. When Lelouche and Suzuaku was fighting and started talking, I thought I was watching Ryuuhou and Kazuma from Scryed since they did the exact same thing. A better example would be between Athrun and Kira in Gundam SEED. I am a bit disappointed with the ending of the episode because it was obvious and predictable. In stories that involves revenge, the ending scenario in this week's episode shows up quite often on action series'. I'm a bit worried that the show is getting a bit too cliche, from Shirley's revenge to Suzaku's questioning of what's right and wrong. My fear also came true on this episode when Lelouche started denying things and sacrificing allies for the sake of their goal. Darkness is consuming him slowly. It also doesn't help that CC is encouraging it either, even though there is no clue as to why she is doing this and what connection it may have with her past. I find her past to be more interesting than anything in this series.
I hope next week's episode will bring a little more depth with less cliche.
"One is as you already mention and another is to find his mother killer. "
And you don't think the Emperor doesn't know who killed his mother? And if he doesn't, there's plenty of time for Lelouch to grab his siblings in the ensuing power vaccum and mind rape them into telling.
I just take issue with the idea that Lelouch is trying to do things quickly because he wants to save lives. I don't think there has been any indication that's the case. (I also take issue with the oft repeated statement that Suzaku is a traitor/murderer when the only person we know he's killed for sure is his father.)
A lot of people didn’t like Opening 2 so i found this on Youtube and thought you’d enjoy ^^ its Opening 2’s video with Gintama’s 3rd ED video. It…fits strangely enough though the mixer should have used the TV version. Oh well…and as a parting note…i don’t watch Geass. X3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmeC_JGz-f4
@Musouka
Lelouch didn't become zero to 'save lives' , he did it to topple Britannia! Saving lives was just a way to get followers (That's not to say that he doesn't care about other people's lives, just the ones that matter to him...).
Like he said in episode 7 to C.C, he would need another power other than geass, he would need followers, thats why he created the Black Knights.
Also, about that really 'simple' plan of yours to kill the emperor, at that time he still did not know the limitations of geass. Like any smart person, he wanted to find out all he can first before pulling a stunt like that, where anything can go wrong. You think an emperor of a powerful nation would be easy target?
Also, even if he kills the Emperor, he still has to worry about the other members of the royal family, anyone of them would just take up his place!
Suzaku is considered a traitor because he is working with the same army that has no problem with killing his own people. He's a soldier, which means he would be forced to kill (which he has).
"when the only person we know he's killed for sure is his father" You sure? I don't think those JLF soldiers back in episode 8 would agree with you....
I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure the dictionary defines a murderer as somebody who had kill someone.
And there was no proof that Suzaku killed his own father, please don't just assume that.
Suzaku starts to remind me of Kira in Gundam Seed
a hyprocite to a degree and with a pink hair lady
but at least the princess(name?) is not as annoying as Lacus Clyne
Is it just me or the technician woman looks like Authurn?
I don't think suzaku really killed his father but I believe he had a hand in either the death of his father or Lulu's mother as you can see in the flashbacks when C.C's encounter Suzaku with the geass as he shouted "I wasn't my intention..."
>>> Suzaku starts to remind me of Kira in Gundam Seed a hyprocite to a degree and with a pink hair lady but at least the princess(name?) is not as annoying as Lacus Clyne
While there are certainly similarities between the two, I think Suzaku is the only hypocrite here.
At the beginning of Seed, Kira wanted to protect his friends, so he fights and kills the enemy even if he doesn't want to kill anyone.
Then after he met Lacus, he decided that he doesn't really want to kill anymore. He decided to stop all the fighting while killing as little as possible AND protecting his friends. At the same time, he gets the Freedom to achieve his goals.
As far as I can see, Kira knows exactly what he wants to do, and that's exactly what he tries to do. He doesn't lie about his intentions either, so he's not what I'd call a hypocrite. What makes him annoying to some people is that his goals mess up the plot, and he has the power to achieve his goals.
Suzaku on the other hand, bitches about Zero's methods, but then joins and helps the Britannian forces, who are far more ruthless than Zero will ever be. Zero is resigned to the fact that there are sacrifices in war, while Cornelia actively kills innocent civilians sometimes. There is a difference there.
Suzaku accuses Zero of killing the people on the ship this episode, but if Zero didn't kill them, Suzaku was supposed to wipe them out anyway. I'm not sure how he can be so self-righteous here, or at any other time for that matter.
Suzaku has no plan to achieve his goals, and he hasn't even tried to do anything to "change Britannia from the inside." All he does is save Cornelia and the Britannian forces, while the said Britannian forces continue their ruthless ways. To then say that Zero's way is wrong because innocent civilians sometimes get killed during the fighting proves that he's a hypocrite (or just extremely delusional).
I'm not saying that Zero's way is definitely right, and Suzaku's way is definitely wrong. However, Suzaku definitely has no right to think that he's right and Zero is wrong.
For some reason, I have the extreme urge to have Lulu regain consciousness, pick up a gun, and shoot Shirley.
Has anyone noticed the similarity between this series and that of V for Vendetta( the novel not the movie)? It has the same theme of revenge, the same masked mastermind archetype and same oppressive government.This is V for Vendetta with Mecha! Anyway
i agree that Suzaku has to stop spouting his self righteous bullshit, he doesnt get that he wont be able to change a system based on discrimination, no one has! even in our present day societies after all the PC bullshit and race/sex/whatever equality lipservice, people still arent equal. Its obvious that he's going to learn that trying to change the system is not going to work without immediate action, which is what Zero provides.
Im starting to hate all these comparisons between LuLu and Kira. Really Kira's period of whinning about killing people lasted way longer than LuLu, plus they act and solve problems in a totally different fashion. Lelouch is a manipulative bastard, but his ends are honourable. I think (and hope) this series will last more than 26 episodes.
There's so much thats been set up within the series to explore that 26 eps doesnt seem like it will cut it.
P.S. anyone think that Zero will use Nina to somehow get to Cornelia/Euphie?
"For some reason, I have the extreme urge to have Lulu regain consciousness, pick up a gun, and shoot Shirley."
I don't think she's THAT annoying to be honest, but there is clearly going to be some "it's you!" interaction and i have a feeling shirly is not getting out of it without emotional harm...
I really dislike the new OP.
The old one was fine, but I'll skip this one from now on, the music in the new OP sounds more fiiting to Blood+ I think.
To the person that asked about Jeremiah.
... Are you on like episode 10 or something?
I HATE the new OP, except for Lulu's Gayman face in the beginning. I also don't like how most of the images were recycled from the last Op + Ed. Suzaku does reminds me alot of Kira. Kira however was like 230459 more annoying than Suzaku in Gundam Seed (i liked him alot in Destiny, and hated Athrun, who was good in Seed XD.) I love how every episode ends in a cliff hanger, for some reason, this anime is just the one that keeps me waiting every week for a new ep.
I for one can't wait to see shirley's reaction. I can imagine myself infront of the screen going "IN YOUR FACE SHIRLEY." when discovers the love of her life is the guy that killed her papa.
Talking about who is on the right side. Nobody is...
Everyone has their belief and fight for it. There's no such things as absolute truth. That's why we always hear something like "Fight for what you believe in"
In this world, there's no a "wrong" path of life. There are only "different" paths.
That goes for everyone, including Suzaku and Lelouch. I know it's very annoying though, especially if someone pushes his/her ideals to the others.
I think i'm kinda curious with this serie... i think The "Black and White" is really clear so it is suspicious. Britannia is so clear that it is a cruel country that kill everyone to achieve their goal. Is Britannia is as it is or it is only a bluff? i mean that who knows later there will be an intelect explanation that will make their actions more reasonable? i don't know.
So far, i see that Suzaku and Britannia is clearly on the villain side. While Lelouch's will to destroy his own Country is reasonable as his response to what Britannia have done to him, but now he seems to stray from his path gradually.
That's the impression i get. Maybe it'll change throughout the next episodes. Well, let's just see.
Just finished watching the episode.
Well, I think Suzaku in this episode will start to reconsider Britannia's action. Can be seen from his expression when he is given the "extemination" order. Which is a good thing to see IMO XD but it seems that he thinks about hating Zero more than thinking about the order given by him. I dearly hope that he would re-think about Joining Britannia. That extermination order should be a start for him.
And it's nice to see Kallen with Zero ^^; i wonder what makes her like Zero that much..
I'm sensing that Lelouch will be using more inapproriate ways -______-' it's quiet surprising that he would kill Japanese Liberation Front too...
btw. Diethard is also suspicious. Why did he run away?
and if you see, the title for the next episode is interesting.
"Geass vs Geass?"
cclragnarok wrote this:
"As far as I can see, Kira knows exactly what he wants to do, and that's exactly what he tries to do. He doesn't lie about his intentions either, so he's not what I'd call a hypocrite. What makes him annoying to some people is that his goals mess up the plot, and he has the power to achieve his goals."
Yup, i think the same, and Kira started not to shoot cockpits, which supports his goal to stop war without killing anyone. But i think he is more like minimalizing casualties. Since his friends (like Andrew Bartfeld) also try his best not to kill, and sometimes he kills too. That's why i think Kira is more like "minimalizing casualties" rather than "not kill"
Since Kira and Suzaku has the same ideals, guess that the difference between them are: Kira is on the right side for his goal. He is on the neutral faction and interferes with every battle and minimalize casualties by attacking every unit so they can't attack each other. while Suzaku picks Britannia's side, he doesn't kill his enemies, but he let the others kill.
But i know, why Suzaku is unable like Kira. It's because he doesn't have power. If only he has a high position in Britannia, he can order the soldiers not to kill. I dearly hope that he would get high rank in military ^^
Suzaku and Shirley should die. They're always popping up at the wrong places at the wrong time.
It's odd, but I think I understand what Suzaku is thinking. I don't like it, but I understand it on an intellectual level.
Suzaku's belief is simply this: any deaths caused by fighting between Japan and Britannia will lead to more deaths.
While Brittania looks down upon the Japanese, and are perfectly willing to slaughter the innocent, they don't do it for absolutely no reason at all. The first few episodes show it happening, but I would say it's due to the hunt for the "terrorists." No terrorists = no hunt = no innocent casualties.
In Suzaku's eyes, Japan has already lost the war, so groups like the terrorists and the JLF are only prolonging the fighting and causing more deaths. The only way to end the fighting is to either stop the terrorists or crush Britannia entirely, and it's pretty clear which side is the considerably weaker one(and thus easier to stop).
I like Lelouch, because he makes me think of of a Raito/Light who is willing to go to extremes, but actually HAS a conscience. But that doesn't change the fact that the path Lelouch is taking will lead to considerably more deaths than Suzaku's idea of trying to change things peacefully within the system. (Suzaku's idea is unrealistic, and very likely would result in absolutely nothing except the Japanese being mistreated their entire lives, but people wouldn't be massacred either)
Suzaku's hipocrasy is annoying me way too much. He calls Zero a murderer when he was sniping at people from his Lancelot, his people, the japanese. He says he's going to change Britannia from the inside, when he's a little guinea pig for the mecha department that is hardly recognized by anyone. His father would grovel in his grave, and i'm pretty sure the bastard killed his father too... "to avoid more victims" i guess... little self righteous prick...
On another note, I don't think Suzaku's a hypocrite. Or at least as people make him out to be.
As I see it, his position is to keep as many people alive as possible. Even a poor life is better than no life. Or something like that.
I wouldn't be surprised if he had killed his father because Japan had lost the war, but his father wanted to continue fighting.
As I see it, this is at least part of the reason why he joined the military. So long as terrorists continue fighting the Britannians, then the Britannians will continue killing them AS WELL as killing any innocent bystander Japanese folks. No terrorists means no fighting means no deaths.
And this is why Zero ticks Suzaku off so much. Zero is helping the "terrorists" succeed, prolonging the fighting, and leading to more casualties. Furthermore, any death in the Britannian Army can only lead to worse future treatment of the Japanese. Unless the Japanese can beat the Britanians. Which Suzaku doesn't believe they can. Not an unreasonable stance, given that Britannia outnumbers them, has superior resources overall, and controls most of the known world, including the Americas.
And this is why Suzaku considers terrorist/JLF deaths acceptable. Sad, but he's weighing the SURVIVAL of the many over the few. The Japanese may have a crappy life, but they'll be ALIVE.
It's easy to criticize his position, but think about the situation in Iraq today. Or in Israel/Palestine. Don't we generally look down on the people out there that keep prolonging the fighting, the hatred? If you lived in a country under a strict military rule, and there was a small group of militants whose actions were getting many innocent bystanders killed, how would you feel?
I root for Lelouch. But it's not my life being put at risk.
"Don't we generally look down on the people out there that keep prolonging the fighting, the hatred?"
I like your point. I have no other saying and totally agree with u.
"I root for Lelouch. But it's not my life being put at risk."
Me same here.... i personally think Lulu's method is right or at least better than Suzaku's, as long as it doesn't involve me or my family as casualties. outsiders can say whatever they want cuz they don't really know how victims feel. But i still don't think Suzaku insulting Zero is appropriate though, when he's the one doing killing as well.
Another thing to consider: the ONLY reasons we support Lelouch is because we know:
1) What he's been through (his mother killed, his and Nunnally's lives being used and discarded)
2) What he's fighting for (revenge and a world where the weak aren't being trampled underfoot)
3) The conflict he feels as he does what he thinks is necessary.
If we didn't know this, and all we saw were the actions he took, we would have serious doubts about the morality of his actions, his goals and so on.
And this is Suzaku's perspective.
didnt suzaku looks like kira yamato and eumphomia or how its spelled look like lacus clyne...and their status is almost the same...
and next thing u know, suzaku has a long-lost twin sister! hmmm... karen? XD
I would hurl if Karen was Suzaku's sister. Because it's obvious how that would end.
Suzaku's method will not work, and if it does, the show will be unreasonably idealistic like GSD. Sometimes the desire for peaceful, non-violent solutions is perverted into a state of inaction that allows injustice to continue. Sure if Suzaku's way is pursued, less Japanese will be killed, but they will still be treated as subhumans. Human beings should be able to keep their pride. As he is Japanese, why does he not understand that?
It's easy to speak about pride when you're an uninvolved spectator with nothing to lose.
Suzaku's perspective is in fact shared by many in the series. Take a look at just about any Japanese person in the series that has chosen to live without rebelling. Kallen's mother, EVERY user of that nostalgia-drug, the hot-dog vender.
If you think about it, it's ZERO whose actions are contrary to the common view. The average person (including the Japanese) did not like the terrorists/JFA. That's why Zero made the public claim of "supporting the weak, and attacking those that persecute them," because he needed to make his group look different from the others, even though they're fundamentally the same.
Suzaku, like so many, prioritizes LIFE first, then pride. To say that his methods won't work is to misunderstand his REAL goals. He may have talked about how the Japanese people are mistreated, and how things need to be done, but he puts the LIVES of people before that. That's his real goal. To keep people alive.
Am I the only one that LIKES Shirley? Everyone else is so against her >.
Am I the only one that LIKES Shirley? Everyone else is so against her >.<
GAAH, WHY'D IT MESS UP AND PUT THE COMMENT TWICE, INCORRECTLY AT THAT (Sorry, but i'm posting this because I still want to get my point across xD )
Am I the only one that LIKES Shirley? Everyone else is so against her >.
I dunno...but I'm all for the ShirleyxLelouch couple...so I've really liked these past few episodes. And doesn't it seem that Lelouch liked her in the next episode? I mean...he cared enough to erase her memories and pain...so =/
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